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I lean toward Kelly Richard's complaint. If part of the appeal and marketing of a contest is to offer feedback, then you have an obligation to offer genuine feedback. By offering two feedbacks, you give the writer an expectation. The writer then has the right to have her expectation fulfilled. If, however, you fail to give back notes that indicate a genuine reading of your script, then I would feel cheated and scammed. I'd rather have no feedback than sloppy ones. And usually this is indicative that the readers are not qualified to even read others scripts, as many of them do not know how to critique a script.
I've entered two BlueCat contests. In the main one last year, I advanced to Quarter rounds. But if I had to judge it based on the feedback, I would give BlueCat a thumbs down. One of the feedbacks was so vitriolic that it did more harm than good. I can do without the acidity.
I've entered sixteen-plus contests in a one-year cycle. And because I've received so many excellent feedback from many of the contests, I feel compelled to hold BlueCat to the highest standards and, thus, would not recommend them.
This year, I have two new scripts. I have steered clear of BlueCat and decided to invest in competitions that do deliver professionalism at every stage.
Remember, I was a quarterfinalist last year, so I am not bitter. But with all the experience I've gained from the countless contests I've entered, I really would like to help out new writers to invest their money on contests that can give them the best experience and return on investment.
I entered the contest in late July and have not received feedback of any kind.How long do they take to respond?
Hello, Fellow Screenwriters
It's been a while since I entered the Bluecat Screenplay Competition. When I did enter, I didn't win, but I got what I was looking for-- feed back. Which I considered deeply before making any changes to my script. Some of the notes worked for me, some didn't. Do understand that all reviews/critiques/etc... are subjective and that almost every reader will have a different take on your work. Take it for what it is worth, but do yourself a favor and enter this same script in at least two or three other competitions that give feedback. If, after doing this, you receive the same criticism form different readers, perhaps you're not connecting with your reader as much as you think you are. I sat in on one of Gordy's screenwriting sessions (where writers have a chance to break down their script and receive feedback from the other writers. I only monitored the class because I was not finished with the script I wanted to break-down, but I couldn't help but notice some of the writers who entered honestly had not really done their homework. I listened as Gordy tried very politely to help the writers understand where the script needed work, but a couple of these writers didn't seem to grasp what he was sharing. Too attached to their work to look at it objectively, maybe? But I kept thinking, rule#1: Don't put your work out there to be critiqued until you have fine-tuned it to the best of your ability. If you do so, you're asking for a pencil-whipping. If you truly want to grow as a writer, become one with the red pen and take your medicine and truly absorb what your critics may b saying about your work. I've attended workshops in L.A. and let me tell you, no way in Hades would they be kind or considerate to a writer's feelings. I thank God I got beat up with a red pen when I fist starting writing. It made me grow and get over my ego really fast. Which, you will have to do if you want to be taken seriously as a writer. Because as they will tell you in the biz, if you're married to your script, you're better off doing an independent production where you finance, write, and direct your own film because anyone who buys the script will more than likel make changes to it-- whether you like it or not. So, before you criticize Gordy or any other reader, remember you offered your work up for critique, not one made you do it. If you don't like the notes, or can't accept them, then move on. Dont' bad mouth the person who gave their honest assessment. It just didn't work for them. That doesn't mean it won't knock the socks off of someone else. Above all else, be open to change.
This year is my first BlueCat. My two judges were brilliant; the assessment was as encouraging as I ever could have hoped for, and the advice was excellent - I don't wish to be a total creep (but I have had some really awful feedback in my time, so much so that I'm genuinely surprised and incredibly grateful for anything that isn't completely soul destroying). I was pretty confident that both readers got enough of what I was about to be able to trust their advice. One of the readers got my message at its deepest level - and that was an emotional moment for me as a person and I think a first for me as a scriptwriter - I would hate to tell you how many years it has taken to reach that wonderful and very satisfying point. So I liked my readers even though they found a million faults/holes/etc that need changing/filling/re-writing.
I can only respond to my personal experience and I really do feel that in this competition my script has received a fair assessment. Thankyou.
Everything was on time.
Thanks for your help Tess!
:-)
I'll re-submit once I integrate your notes.
Joey and the team at Happy Writers has been a great help in offering guidance as well as a kick-in-the-pants. Joey's extensive notes on COVERAGE with personal phone follow-up, and the analysis that followed submission to their contest was invaluable. The SKYPE virtual pitch they offer is an incredible opportunitiy - daunting for a beginner, but Alexis makes it comfortable and I will look forward to taking her instructional class on perfecting my pitch.
I can't say I have entered too many contests to compare, but I submitted my screenplay to two that promised feedback, BlueCat and another. The other one's feedback was literally two generic sentences filled with typos that made no specific references to my script.
BlueCat on the other hand gave me prompt detailed feedback from two readers who had obviously read the screenplay and given it a lot of thought.
In fact, almost all the antecedents to which they made reference were movies that I myself specifically reference when asked to compare my script to other movies. I felt like all the advice and notes, good and bad, were all fair, balanced, and accurate.
Results aren't announced for quite some time so I have no idea how I did, but the feedback made me feel like I will get a fair shake and that's all I can ask for. And if and when I do a re-write, I will certainly be incorporating many of their notes.
Author: lyse beck
Posted: 09/16/2012 01:26 PM
I LOVE Page. I have entered quite a few comps. If offered, I always get feedback. And Page comes heads over any comp I've ever entered. Not just because they separate the scripts into genres (which is fantastic) and not just because they keep you appraised of progress of the judges and excited about the competition in general via facebook and twitter and emails and newsletters, and not just because of the fantastic feedback I've always gotten from the readers, but also because Jennifer and Zoe are so dedicated to the competition and the entrants, it's insane. I've entered Page five times. All my scripts have placed in at least the Quarters, and two have made it to Finals. But this isn't why I love Page. Not the only reason anyway. It's the connection they make with the entrants. The constant communication they keep. The excitement they generate. I have entered some comps that I have forgotten I've entered, and then have to go searching for the results! No email, no communication. I think other competitions should enter Page for themselves, just to see how the pros do it. BTW, Page has also started The Production Arts Group during off competition season which is fantastic as well. And their coverage services are reasonable as well. and These guys are class acts.
Anyone know where they are located? Address, city and state seem to be hidden.
BlueCat is the first screenwriting contest I have ever entered, and they provided me with useful, thoughtful written feedback on my screenplay (by two different readers). It's good to know that your screenplay is actually read and not just a number among the hundreds of entries; in other words, it is worth the fee you pay.
Very cool prize of the trip to LA to meet privately with VIPS and execs in the TV biz.
I entered the competition based on the good experience a fellow writer had last year. I entered early and received my two feedback cards a few days before its scheduled time. Both differed in their views (one liked my script a lot more) but I will say that they both were consistent in what i needed to work on for improvement. I've started the re-write and plan on re-submitting it. Unfortunately, they both suggested I change the title which I did, but I'm not allowed to re-submit under a new title :(
So far I'd give them a 7.5 out of 10.
BlueCat sent me two incisive reviews of my script with many suggestions as to how to improve it. The reviews were equal to a semester of a screenwriting course. I learned a thousand things. If that weren't enough, I was one of the the three winners of the title contest and won $250. I had a fantastic experience with BlueCat and am planning on entering my next script with their next competition. I suggest the same to anyone looking for a very helpful analysis of their screenplay! Enter enter enter!
The two BLUCAT readers for "FOR THE LOVE OF PETE" were enthusiastic and encouraging, while still offering substantial suggestions for improvements. It does take a thick skin sometimes, but my experience with BLUECAT is that they offer the good as well as the not-so-good (not always the case with critics). I am making revisions, and will resubmit. Auditing a GORDY workshop was also positive, with Gordy cutting through writer's hangups on formatting details and concentrating the real issues. He reads them all - amazing!
We "our" the first contest... sort of scary! Think I'll pass on this one! Stay thirsty, my friends!
Using BlueCat feedback, I beefed up one of my entries from last year (Revolver). I've also strengthened my protagonist by creating some additional scenes for my entry this year - Honor Flight. You must have "thick skin" and be receptive to literary criticism. Take the recommendations offered by BlueCat and run with them! Happy writing!
Very friendly people.
Good experience.
BEWARE!! I never received a single inclination that they received my entry, aside from seeing that they cashed my check. They do not post an email address or any other contact information, and their "contact" page is unworkable- there is absolutely no way for an entrant to get in touch with them. A transparent scam (in retrospect.) Don't let them get your $60.
I want to applaud CINESTORY for their mentorship and valuable access to Professionals, and the great community they foster between writers. It is not every contest that brings you into your own both as a individual voice and a voice amongst professionals. As a 2012 Fellowship Winner with my family film, SPOTNIK, I was thrilled to be introduced to Producers who gave me insightful feedback on my project both in terms of further development and marketing. Being allowed to correspond with my chosen mentors, LISA CALLAMARO and MEG LAFAUVRE through the year as my prize was precious beyond any accolade. You will not find a more inspirational group of big-hearted artists and executives than this group. The Idylwild retreat is a special place and you will not be sorry for attending. I would whole-heartedly recommend this contest and its Fellowship to anyone who is looking for a personal and up-close relationship with professionals in the business and with your own writing as viewed through the lens of these professionals. It was a great step for me as I moved into selling and producing my own work. Grow and flourish. This what CINESTORY is about.
The CineStory experience could be considered a rite of passage for many aspiring and 'on the cusp' working screenwriters. I attended in 2011 and the information, insights and feedback on my writing provided both encouragement – as well as that much needed slap in the face to become braver with my writing. The whole experience has a very laid back vibe (and Idyllwild is stunning), but the pros who are there to work with you, to help you hone your skills and pass on the keys to Hollywood are top-notch and bring their A-game. Be prepared, it can feel a bit overwhelming at times (crying on the mountain and all that), but the community spirit, the connections to other aspiring and working writers, managers, agents and producers as well as the benefits it can offer your career are unparalleled.
This contest, associated with Screenplay Festival, has finally delivered. I've gotten two requests and am awaiting response from another prodco. Had almost given up hope, but worth the wait.
I have no association with this contest. This post was intended for 100SCREENPLAYS. Wanted to let everyone know they did deliver. So far, I have gotten two requests.
I won second place. Took a very long time for this contest to market winning scripts. However, their parent company, "Screenplay Festival," was is full swing, close to deadline for submissions. So I was extra patient knowing this.
Then I forgot about them. After new contest usually adds up to nothing. Then when I was about to write a "trash review," they send me two companies looking for scripts. Based on my logline, both companies have requested my script.
So, I am thrilled that they came through for us. And that's all I wanted: The opportunity to pitch my logline to those who might be in position to do something with my script.
Considering this is a brand new contest, that's pretty damn good. Hope this contest continues, though I wish they would offer a monetary prize to 2nd and 3rd placers.
I attended the Cinestory retreat in 2011 and it was amazing. This weekend is a rare opportunity to learn from extremely talented people who are there solely to help you and share their experience. It genuinely inspired me and the generosity of all who participated truly touched my heart. If you have the chance to go, don't miss it.
Again, just for balance here, if you are considering this contest, do read ALL the comments.
Great little contest.
Thanks Tess.
I attended this retreat on my own dime in 2009, and have been back to help the organizers a couple times since.
Two things jump out at me: 1) the natural beauty of Idylwild, CA. 2) The caliber of the mentors at the retreat.
I guarantee the advice you get on your script will be invaluable, and the knowledge you gain about the industry as well as the art will blow your mind.
There's only one reason not to apply to this contest: you're not totally sold on the screenwriting thing.
If you're not one of the top two or three people in your writing group, if you haven't read every screenwriting book ever written, if you're not "all in," then you may take a spot someone else could put to better use.
This is the deep end of the pool.
Be advised.
I'd highly recommend submitting a script to the CineStory Screenwriting Awards. The writer's lab, if you get the chance to attend, is invaluable - with great advice from people working in the industry, tailormade for your needs - and it's also extremely enjoyable.
Better late than never. Forgot to mention that Jared procured a request for my script. Happened a while back, maybe a month ago. Haven't heard anything from the producer. But, true to his word, he doesn't forget those who have hit his radar.
If nothing else, such "nibbles" gives a writer the necessary boost to forge on. So, yeah, join his contest for $10. Better than the piles of money I've spent on other full-service contests, which turned out to be no better than self-serve.
I must have had the same reader, as well. I ordered feedback from several sources for this script, all of which which pointed out a surprisingly consistent set of (strengths and) weaknesses. Up to this point, I was very impressed by the world of coverage. Even when the reader didn't "get it", I could tell that s/he had read the script thoroughly, and I could pinpoint in their writing where I went astray in communicating my vision.
Virtually every sentence in the scriptapalooza feedback, however, was just... OFF... From the title, genre, and basic description of the protagonist to every last aspect of the denouement. The writing was so glib and shoddy and self-contradictory that I had the impression that perhaps the reader was intoxicated and imagining his own version of my story?
The feedback turnaround also took two months longer than originally indicated. Disappointing all around.
Very friendly. Didn't win but I'd go back. For once someone is nice to wannabe writers...
:-)
I agree with Brian. My "feedback" was two days late, so they gave me a free upgrade to 5 pages of in depth consulting. The whole thing cost me $59 including a free contest entry!
Didn't get anywhere with their WMC 30 contest but I also paid for the gold package of extended coverage. I ended up receiving two coverages for the price of one, let me explain. Just over a month after I paid for the coverage I received the consult in my email. The reader pointed out some obvious flaws in my script that I just didn't see on my own and her feedback was very well written and an eye opener. A week or so later I receive another email from them saying their story editor was not happy with the first coverage I got and I would be getting a second consult for free. Well I thought the first consult was great and the second was an added bonus. They seem like real nice people over there and I will gladly send them more of my scripts for their coverage service and who knows maybe I'll get somewhere in their next contest.
I completely forgot that I entered this one, but I don't recall ever hearing anything back. This is just another waste of money in my opinion.
I was the June/July winner - 5th Place. I won a year's subscription to the Script Pipeline Writer's Data Base. What a great prize! I've already started using it and I believe it will be quite helpful. This contest is really worth the money. I intend to enter again. (Posted by Sandra Mytys - not Richard)
Great feedback notes.
Thanks Tess.
Three thumbs up!
Good experience.
I must have gotten the same hack as you did, William. After receiving some excellent feedback on my script from two different sources, I decided it was time to get “professional” coverage for it. Since this place has a good reputation I decided to go for it. I was floored at what I got back. Grammatical errors, missed plot points, and the usual “let the master tutor you on how to fix what is (absolutely subjectively) wrong.” All for a pretty penny. It just goes to show it is all opinion, nothing else. Submit a decent script to ten coverage readers and you’ll get back eleven different opinions, doesn’t matter where. And isn’t it odd that no one ever mentions story, the supposed main ingredient? It’s all about the film school technical aspect. Not to say all pieces of the puzzle are not vital, but there is so much more involved here than fast pacing and which specific page number requires a plot twist. I think I have weaned myself off of contests, notes, and coverage – for a while anyway.
Wish you success, Jason. Really, man, if this contest does it for you, I'll be the first and last to congratulate you. At the end of the day, it's about the writer's success, not the contest.
I’ve been entering screenplay contests for years and Script Pipeline has been by far my most positive experience. I am proud to say I was named a Grand Prize Winner in this year’s screenwriting contest, but prior to that, Script Pipeline was very interactive and gave me personal attention. As soon as I found out I was a finalist, I received a personal call from the guys at Script Pipeline, discussing what they might be able to do for me and how to most effectively use Script Pipeline’s industry contacts to further my script’s chances at earning me representation and possibly a produced credit.
The contest officially ended a week ago and my script has already been requested by a bunch of management and production companies. I’ve been out in LA for about four years, looking for representation all the while, and entering the Script Pipeline contest has easily been the best decision I’ve made in pushing me toward that goal.
All in all, I think Script Pipeline is a well-run, professional and user-friendly organization. Perhaps the lack of a quarterfinalist stage might be a drawback for some people, but the support Script Pipeline gives its finalists is unmatched. For this writer, early in his career, the experience has been excellent.
Hey Guys,
Re: The "I have a hard time believing the first script you ever wrote made it to the finals" I can say that my screenplay was also the first screenplay I ever wrote and it made it to the finals. Sure, I'd written a TV pilot and some sketch comedy before but I think anything is possible and don't doubt that just cause you're a novice there might not be something there that makes it stand out from the crowd.
Anyway, being a Script Pipeline finalist was awesome, I have great traction going and OF COURSE it's not just about competitions and nothing is ever a guarantee that you will suddenly be making zillions of dollars for your scripts. But as far as contests go, Script Pipeline was the best and most serious about getting me hooked up with industry...
I also have a friend who was a TV finalist last year and she says they still help her out all the time and try to keep her connected to people who might be interested in reading her work.
What other competition keeps helping you out and caring about your career even a year after you were a finalist? Not many...so as far as I'm concerned, Script Pipeline rocks.
It was a thrill to win this July's contest. Very quick turn around on the notes, thank you.
- Jim
Good value, but not the biggest contest...
Author: Tom Stein
Posted: 08/08/2012 09:18 PM
Thanks, Paul. Need all the fans I can get.
Author: Tom Stein
Posted: 08/08/2012 09:15 PM
Thanks, Paul. Need all the fans I can get.
Damn, Tom, we're like communicating in a weird Einstein-Rosenberg kind of way (whatever that means). My bad. Second script, huh? Not too shabby. If it's all the same, I'll still look out for your name.
Author: Tom Stein
Posted: 08/08/2012 08:51 PM
Paul, I don't recall saying anywhere that this was my first script. I think you are confusing me with other comments below. Also, if you look at the times, I was typing mine before yours got posted -- I never saw yours and was not directly responding to you, rather just the general conversation I saw here.
(if it matters to you, it was my second script, but I also have a prose background and other industry experience and contacts)
Tom,
Not trashing this contest. I'm glad to hear that they are living up to their billing. That's all I wanted to know, really. I hope something comes of your script. I'm very realistic about what a contest can do for you. But a nice "Thank you for your participation" goes a long way. I guess it's about manners. I admit I don't have any, but that doesn't mean I can't expect it from others. I think.
Btw, I have a really hard time believing your very first script was the one that made it to the finals. If so, you must be a fantastic writer. I'll be looking for your name in theaters.
Author: Tom Stein
Posted: 08/08/2012 08:33 PM
I was a finalist this year. I did not sign-up for any script consultation or any other paid service beyond the entry $$ for the contest. I was not able to attend their pitchfest due to prior commitments.
The most substantive thing I can say about this contest is that, within hours of their sending loglines out to their industry contacts I received read requests from a prominent management company and a ProdCo that had a major 2011 hit.
As for everything else, I have received good and clear communication from them, everything seemed professionally done, and I've have had one-on-one contact with the organizers and conversations about how they can continue to help and connect me with industry contacts based on the script that won and other and future scripts.
To the comments/complaints about how they treat, or don't treat, non-finalists, I don't know what to say. This was the first time I entered and I was a finalist. Others have said they received notification. But, honestly, who really cares? The measure of any contest is what they can do for those who do well. This contest has chosen to focus on a top 20, which seems reasonable to me as one of many ways to turn a contest and they do seem to do work for those based on what I have seen so far. But also guys, remember, if you expect a contest to make or break your career, I've got a great bridge in Iowa to sell you. They are a tool and they are subjective. There are plenty of contest winners across all contests who have never been heard from again and never will be. A legit and well run contest can help to get your script out there and be a way to get introductions and/or a way to separate yourself in future queries (the rest is up to you). This contest seems legit in that respect and worth it if you can make the finals.
Good luck to everyone.
I didn't want to say anything about this contest because a good writer and friend made the finals. But now that the contest is over I'll chime in. I entered and got Script-pimped.
I share many of Ralph's concerns and vexations with this contest. For the money paid, why not at least offer a semi-finals so a writer can at least have that on her resume? Instead, all you get is silence if you don't advance to the finals.
But at the least, I really hope this contest does justice to the winner and finalist. In other words, it better live up to its billing.
And one thing Ralph said I will put my money on. No FIRST SCRIPT ever makes it to the finals. If the best writers in Hollywood couldn't do it on their first go, then you're not going to convince me this person wrote something better than a lot of other writers who didn't advance.
Only exception is Christopher McQuarrie. I believe "The Usual Suspects" was his first script. But he also went to high school with Bryan Singer who directed the movie. So Chris got a lot of professional help writing his masterpiece.
For those who advance in this contest, it's all good. For those who don't, there may be a good reason why and it may have nothing to do with your script. It maybe the ineptitude of the judge who read your script. I always pay the extra for judge's feedback because that tells me as much about the judge (and maybe the contest) as it tells me about my script. If the judge who read and gave notes on my script this year did more than skim the script, I'd be surprised. There were egregious errors (I'm not talking about the subjective stuff, I can't fault that because it's opinion). I'm talking about a judge who didn't even get the main character's name right and it went downhill from there. There were actually errors about what happened in the script. I suspect my placement in the contest was based on that judge's input and according to that judge, my script would be more effective as toilet paper. Since my script has quartered, semi'd and twice made it down to the last finalists in other prestigious contests, I know it's strengths and this judge bunked all of them. To Scriptapalooza's credit, when I pointed the shortcoming in the feedback to Mark Andrusko, he gave me replacement coverage. BIG KUDOS FOR THAT! The difference in the coverage and the scores was day and night and only served to point out what a hack the first judge was. I doubt the replacement coverage was used to determine my placement in the contest, however. C'est la vie.
Geno:
The simple reality is, if you don't make the top twenty, (from what has been said on these threads again and again) is you don't receive notification letting you know you didn't make the cut. Haven't entered another contest in 16 years that didn't at least tell you you hadn't won, either via email or letter. Doesn't seem fair considering the cost to enter for contestants, versus the costs to hire a college kid to send out an email relating this information to all its entrants. This seems to be the common theme of those reporting here that weren't in the top 20. The focus seems more geared towards promotion of those who did make the top 20 - whose obvious stumping for this contest you'll find here (in my personal opinion anyway - that's all this post is), that and the founders selling/promoting their script consultations whenever possible. Take this as one man's opinion, but business is business... esp. with this contest. I've entered and won, placed and shown in many contests over the 17 years I've been writing and never in all those years have I ever gotten the vibe from any of the contests, that they were out for themselves, as opposed to the writers who enter them than with this contest. This is my personal opinion after numerous phone calls and email exchanges with this contest's personnel. Trust me, I don't make any money posting anything negative about a contest I would never enter again after a bad experience with them; I just choose my First Amendment right to let others know about it before they spend their hard-earned money on it when I think you can do much better with contests like PAGE and Creative World, two of the best and most professionally run contests out there. Guaranteed their deadlines will be met and email notifications will go out regardless of whether you win or lose and you won't feel fleeced like I did. The real telltale sign for me, was when I was informed that one of their top 20 finalists (the year I entered), was a "writer who;d entered their very first screenplay written." Really dudes? Never happen in a million years. Oh, by the way, she bought screenplay consultation services from them. I guess that's what put her over the top over all the other seasoned writers, who've written dozens of screenplays and won contests who entered. Yeah, must of been that... Again, this is all pure speculation on my part and sheer opinion, so please draw your own conclusions.
I am so happy to have won grand prize. Prize money was not large, but paid in a timely manner. It is really not the responsibility of a contest to promote you as a writer, but I was given some nifty prizes that did indeed give me several toes in the door. I've gotten quite a few reads, and though I haven't found management or an agent yet, there has been interest that I simply need to follow through with. The query service from Venice Arts is a service that I found very useful. I've gotten quite a few reads from that. The logline service and Inktip service given free are also very helpful. I received two of those nice certificates, because of the win in two categories.
I've had a great experience with Script Pipeline. Everyone has been very professional and extremely helpful. I never post comments on websites, but they have really gone above and beyond to help me further my writing career.
Very professionally run. They keep in close contact and really care. Entering this contest is definitely a good experience.
I can't compare Script Pipeline's contest to any others because I've never entered any other screenwriting contests. What I can say is that this one has already connected me to people I surely wouldn't have met on my own, and that the help I've gotten has been extremely valuable.
Very helpful contest staff. Thanks Tess!
Did get several calls and emails. But no listing of winning scripts. Asked if I was attending Gala event. Contest is a bit disorganized. Still waiting for something other being told was in top 10 scripts.
Starting to receive some of the prize packages. Just got paid. And they're getting ready to market the winners. So many people have said good things about this contest that I never worried about receiving everything they promised. That's a rarity. Can't wait to see if I get requests as I have a much stronger script to offer. (And I'll probably be saying this again in a month from now. Revising never ends.)
No feedback. No posted list of winners. No nothing.
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Kind of late as the deadline has passed. And caveat emptor is applicable to all contests.
But a caveat without explanation is like announcing the end of the world without a timeframe.
Why should one "be aware?" Without more, you sound like an ominous doomsayer than an informed samaritan. If you know something the rest of us don't, do tell. Else you're just trying to draw attention to yourself.
This is considered one of the jewels of the contest circuit. Less cryptic, more matter.
Caveat Emptor (buyer beware).I would advise any and all would-be entrants to reconsider and submit your work elsewhere.
I did not win the Cynosure contest, but the comments made by the reader were right on. I rewrote my screenplay THE BLUE ROOM and wrote another one ROUGHNECKS! Where did I enter both scripts? Where I could get a fair shake, CYNOSURE. Besides I want to know which is the best. I have a bet with a writer friend.
after entering the contest I received an email that that confirmed my entry. Thank you I wish all contests did this. It;s my hard earned money that I've sent and I like to know that my script survived the US mail.
I agree with most of what is being said here about the comments made by the readers. I’ve had the same maddening situation where the two opinions of one script were diametrically opposed to each other. Still, I did manage to get some good information out of the fluff. But what I really notice is that the commentary quickly spirals into a soapbox for these (I assume mainly fresh out of school) readers to “tell you what they know.” I feel that hurts the objectivity because they are then on the lookout for any excuse to expound on something they consider to be their strong points. It’s all opinion, some a little more educated than others, but all subjective.
This is a topnotch contest with quick feedback. The critiques they offer are extremely helpful and presented in a complimentary way, encouraging writers to get back to the "rewriting" board. I would not be surprised if it soon finds its place among the biggies.
Great little contest.
Everything on time, apart from my winning notification!
:-)
Let me pose a possible reason for BlueCat refusing to evaluate scripts that won other contests: They don't want to look bad when you know you have a great script and their readers trash you. I don't know that to be a fact, but it does seem very plausible, especially if you read the other comments.
I second Geno's experience. StoryPros has and does keep you updated on everything. They don't move at the quickest pace, but they do move. And they give you the feel that there are a lot of things going one behind the scenes, all for the benefit of winners and placers.
Definitely in my top ten for value and service.
Not sure how a script that won two previous mid-level contests, couldn't place in the top 664. Very confusing...
I was also very pleased with the operation of this contest. I was notified along the way, at every stage of the judging, and they promoted the winners significantly, afterward. I'll be entering again next year, for sure!
I'm surprised by some earlier comments. I was notified very consistantly, all along the way. I received emails with links to the announcements, and a phone call when I made top 20. I've already had my consultation with one of their writers (part of the prize for all placements). Winners to be named in August, and while I don't expect to win, I was pleased with the attention and the professionalism of the contest (does anybody ever really "slam" a contest that they do well in? I doubt it!). I believe strongly that if you contact the folks who run the comp, they'll explain what may or may not have happened and try to make it right for you. They're very cool people.
I'm somewhat disappointed @ Blue Cat. Wouldn't take my last submission because it had "previously won certain other contest(s)". I double-checked and wrote back to them, and the confirmed that this is their rule (found it among the rules of the competition). I can understand if it had previously won Blue Cat, but another contest? Strange...
George,
It's but one contest. I too entered my short. And, predictably, it got trashed. Oh, well. But what does matter are all those other contests that validated your script. Concentrate on that. Keep in mind, my feature script did not advance beyond quarters of their main contest. Yet that same script has made plenty of noise since.
If you have a high-concept script, try Fresh Voices. They seem to be very receptive not only to great scripts, but also to scripts with potential. I won their contest on strength of potential more than on polish. And they had a pretty good prize package.
Good luck.
I entered the BlueCat Short contest and like the other comments, questioned the feedback. My short placed and won in other contests so I was hoping at least to make the first round since it had somewhat of track record but like all contests you're at the mercy of the reader no matter how well written, how creative the concept or if anyone else thinks it's good. Like Paul, if you have a non commercial, quirky, arty, indy story it might do well. If you have anything remotely marketable forget it.
A good judge of any contest is to see what has happened to the past winners. Did they ever sell their script, get representation, or have their movie made? If it's a no to any of these questions, then what's the point? Unless you're just doing it for the prize money.
I'm learning to stick to the contests that have some influence in Hollywood and forget about the rest.
Good times!
:-)
I am loving every minute working with script pipeline on my winning concept from the Great Idea Movie Competition. Their passion for the business and drive to advance my idea to the next level is encouraging and exciting. I highly recommend getting involved with Script Pipeline.
Similar to other posted comments I too was taken back a bit between the two reviews I received being that elements one person praised the other review pointed out as needing work in several instances. With the abundance of items to critique it was probably coincidental that they commented on the sames things. It does reinforces to me that everything is subjective and that while some people want back story and layered characters other peeps doing coverage are overly concerned with formulaic structure. FYI the previous coverage for my script had 80 per cent worth of comments I used to complete a second draft. I might use 10 per cent of comments for revisions from the two Bluecat reviews. I agree these folks lean towards the quirky non-commercial and if I were them I wouldn't highlight "Balls Out" which is a terrible movie by a past winner whereas Gordy's "Love Liza" I thought was superb.
Author: DJ Cook
Posted: 07/17/2012 03:27 AM
Most impressed by the dedication of the PAGE International team in keeping entrants informed regarding contest developments.
I placed in the second round and received an e-mail informing of this. This was a pleasant courtesy as I did not expect to hear anything until the quarter-final results were posted.
Unfortunately, I did not progress to the quarter-finals as I hoped for. However, in announcing the results the organisers gave words of encouragement to those who didn't make the grade, stating that screenwriting is an 'extremely competitive and subjective business' and to keep on writing!
My overall impression was of a well-organised contest with nothing but utmost respect and enthusiasm for the material they receive and the writers who submit it. Recommended.
Here's my take on this contest. If you have something quirky, indy, non-Hollywood, you might do well. I've entered in two of their contests and in both I came away scratching my head.
The feedback ranged from awesome to you-gotta-be-kidding-me. And how many of their winners, even finalists, have had movies produced? (I'm willing to be corrected on this as my recollection could be faulty.)
The wisdom I have to offer, if any, is that each contest has its own quirks. If your script matches their leanings, then you might do very well. Hope this helps.
I didn't get shortlisted but they answered all of my questions within the same day which was great. Seem very organized.
Good new competition.
Later the same day that I posted that I had not received my feedback, my script reviews came back. Script # 1: Both readers appeared to have read the entire scripts. Comments about the script were good overall. However, one reader thought I should change the ending, and the other loved it! Script # 2: Neither reader appeared to have read the entire script. They appeared to have read only the first half. Suggestions given were not useful, but the areas that were indicated helped me to make improvements (even though the reviewer's ideas were not beneficial). None of the four readers gave any indication of what kind of score I would have received.
Great experience.
Thanks for your help Tess.
Found these people helpful and courteous and their results were on time. Good to see a decent contest starting up in the UK.
As the Grand Prize winner of the 2012 April/May Three Lines Or Less contest, I have to say I'm very pleased with the exposure they offer the finalists. Script Express (a prize award from Sell A Script) sent out query letters of my script Devil's Pass to over a hundred industry pros. I've received several requests to read the script as well as the chance to pitch other scripts to Morgan Creek Productions. For the cost of entering ($10), the pay-off was well worth the price of admission.
I paid my $40 dollars and the contest put up some post pictures but I cannot get any info out of the web site. They posted who would be invited to make the short "Shoot out" films but no word if any of them finished on time or if there was an overall winner, nothing. I posted on Face book; just short and simple pleas for info but no reply.
I entered two screenplays on June 15, 2012, the first deadline given. The contest material claims that the analyses submitted by that date will be provided by June 25, 2012, and the analyses still haven't arrived (as of July 7, 2012). I have emailed and called, yet there has been no response. Draw your own conclusions about this "contest".
Author: Ed Sennet
Posted: 07/04/2012 01:36 PM
Two thumbs up. I had no complaints.
Don't send any money to this one, either, because they don't even respond with an acknowledgement. It's another rip off, like a lot of these contests are.
A total rip off. Send them money and never hear anything back at all.
Not recommended. I paid them $50 and never heard back anything at all, not even an acknowledgement of having paid.
And back at you!
Hey Philip,
Thanks for the link -- and congrats!!
I think the fact that Big Bear gives you three (count them three) readers is more than fair. We all have days when everything we eat tastes bad - and everything we read is like a fly we want to swat. Readers are only human. I got an email saying I made it to the next round with the three different readers' comments and scorecards attached. Two of the readers loved my comedy script and thought it was the funniest thing they ever read - but the other didn't like it at all. But because there were three readers I was able to move forward. But I'm sure it does happen that all three readers are having a bad day - so if there isn't a consensus of what to change - then shrug it off. If you do see a specific critism popping up over and over again - then take it as a Blessing from God - and tweak your script. Even the best most polished screenplay can be made better through careful, slight, and surgical improvements.
Apologies for the multiple posts. Don't know what happened there.
The semifinals are up: http://www.fadeinonline.com/Contests/2012_SWA_Semi.html
Sorry, they didn't indicate Twitter. Just that they're trying to find a way to deliver the results. Might I be so radical as to suggest: e-mail?
Sorry, they didn't indicate Twitter. Just that they're trying to find a way to deliver the results. Might I be so radical as to suggest: e-mail?
Sorry, they didn't indicate Twitter. Just that they're trying to find a way to deliver the results. Might I be so radical as to suggest: e-mail?
Here's the contest Twitter feed:
https://twitter.com/#!/fadeinawards
They just posted the website cannot be updated until Monday because the webmaster's wife went into labor.
If they can figure it out, they'll post on Twitter.
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