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Yeah, yeah, yeah! Do it, man. Do it!
But, I hope you won't do, or not do, something that you feel strongly about, simply because someone else told you what you SHOULD do. If anything, writing something that pleases you ought to be your true aim. Isn't that how you started writing in the first place?
Is it a worthy contest?
I can truly appreciate your concern. Of course, it is a personal choice what we each base our primary motivation to write on as being. Personally (at this point in time), I would feel a sense of loss within my soul, if I were to prostitute my talents by creating something that my heart was not in.
Aside from that, not wanting to make a mountain out of a mole hill, I don't get what the big issue is about your proposal being so taboo. If you and your associates are primarily interested in "giving them what they want," then I would hire a marketing firm to conduct a survey of the movie-going public to find out what they want. I state this, considering that I don't have all the data that your associates possess.
Several years ago, I worked as a surveyor for a firm in California. One stint was conducting surveys regarding films. As a writer, this proved to be INVALUABLE, and offered great insight into what I might aim my efforts toward--in alignment with my own beliefs and passions.
That's right, Sang. And one more thing I'd like to add, before I move on.
Who's to say that the robot theme won't be the HOTTEST thing 10 years from now? As long as your house doesn't catch fire and destroys the script....
I posed the following question to a producer at a major studio, "Do production companies take correspondence they receive, from the movie-going public, into consideration when selecting future projects?"
His response was to initially stall, then he replied, "We measure the line waiting for popcorn. If the line's too long, we don't make another movie like that."
Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed a trend of films' first-run releases doing just okay, within the last few years? It seems that maybe one or two per year do fantastically well at the box office.
Hello. What does that tell you? I'm sorry, I've heard some experts' excuses to justify this trend, but it tells me that our REAL PUBLIC is BORED. I know I am. I find myself leaning towards the video store to rent a classic, or finding some alternative form of entertainment, because what's coming out as of late simply does not excite me enough to plop down the $7.00.
I'd like to see these producers truly take charge and pinpoint what people want in the theaters as entertainment.
The Hollywood Reporter publishes very brief survey results from theater goers, after they've watched a recent release. All the data proves, unfortunately, is how popular a particular actor was with that audience, as a box office draw. I think it's time Hollywood stopped relying on a face, and started relying more on the foundation to make the bucks, and please the populace.
I say, SURVEY.
Okay. Any business venture can be considered a risk.
"It takes real balls to green-light a any movie, given this expenditure. To green-light a movie that is revolutionary (say, a child-molesting hero, or a storyline that has no defineable structure, or a really likable bad guy you don't want killed) is practically unthinkable."
My point, though, is to REDUCE the guess-work. If a competent survey were conducted, which concluded that a surprising number of people WOULD go to the theaters to see "BLAH," then the gamble of presenting such a story or plot would not be so unthinkable.
Here's an example of what I mean. If an inventor really wanted to ensure that his new invention would be in sufficient demand as to mass market the item, he should have 1,000s of people surveyed as to whether such an item were truly needed and wanted. If only a minority expressed strong interest in purchasing such an item, he would know that the venture would not prove viable. On the other hand, however, if the majority of the people surveyed were overwhelmingly receptive to the new product, he could safely invest his life savings into getting this gadget into the public's hands, and make a bundle.
And, of course, while the surveyors were at it, they'd ask further probing questions, such as a) How much do feel such an item would be worth paying for? b) What color do you feel would best suit such an item?....
The point I'm making here, and I know some film production companies do this, is to survey the movie-going public to find out what truly will bring them in to the theaters. Let us not forget that the movie-going public is anyone with two hours and $10.00. WHY aren't more people flocking?
Ask a general question, and you will get a vague response.
The art, and the key, is the skill of the mastermind behind the survey.
I'm not here to teach everyone about how to conduct a data gathering survey, just to express my opinion about what I think a vast number of production companies should wisely avail themselves to, or anyone else in this industry.
Thank you for the input, Bill.
"Audiences don't really know what they want, other than vague answers."
I have to disagree with this statement. As a surveyor, hired by a firm to determine the what and why of theatergoers, I found that the majority knew EXACTLY what they wanted to see, and what they didn't want to see. Most expressed frustration with what was available, and made suggestions (many times in great detail) as to what changes could be made for future improvement.
"Audiences have a SUBCONSCIOUS need for some story element. WE (the audience) don't really know what that need is, until a film is made that fills is."
Again, I have to disagree with this. Back to my previous entry, which referenced the success of the survey was contingent upon the mastermind, who created the questions of the survey. The extensive survey that we performed also addressed the plot, which would most appeal to the subject being surveyed. I can't tell you how many "pitches" I heard.
"but they were considered too "old fashioned" for the remake."
I find this an interesting statement. Who found it too old fashioned? Was it just one person??
"Last - Audiences say one thing and do another. The test screening for THE BACHELOR was through the roof. From the audience's test cards, it was expected to be the big hit of the fall season. What happened?"
Without all of the particulars, of how the test screening was conducted, I'll have to assume that it was done regionally in Los Angeles. This leads me to wonder if THE BACHELOR had only an L.A. appeal. The majority of the United States does not hold the L.A. mentality.
"Films with really awful test screenings sometimes becomes hits anyway."
Alright, so let's find out WHY. What was it that truly appealed to the audience? Was it the soundtrack? The cinematography? The storyline was easily identified with by the audience? The chemistry of the actors? The dialogue was easily understood and uncomplicated?
"Hollywood always tries to clone hit films, thinking that the clone will do as well as the original. 95% of the time the clones fail. The audience has seen that movie, now they want to see something different."
That's a fantastic point, Bill. That's the habit I'd like to help break. From my understanding, many production companies have a tendency to re-do something that did very well before. The problem, though, is that now that people have already tasted THAT flavor, they want a new one.
P.S. - BTW, I'm not selling any company or how-to books. I'm just fed up with jaded, executive "experts."
John, this would be a dream!
"If you really want to make money in Hollywood, I think, come up with a guaranteed bullet-proof never-fail system for identifying hits and rejects."
I'd like to see what successful actions we could compile from the likes of James Cameron, Steven Speilberg, ....
I know what you mean, and I certainly feel that way, too. It's possible, though, to keep certain points in mind while writing YOUR story.
After conducting those surveys, beautiful getting paid to do it:), I wrote a script that I feel very strongly about. I kept in mind the key aspects, which the people I interviewed addressed.
It can be a compromise, but if we do want the masses to come, then meeting in the middle is a strong option.
To add a bit to Tracy's sentiment....
I once agreed to proofread another's script. It was just a 15 page short, but it was hell making it through just the first page. The spelling and grammar was so poor, that my frustration did not lie with the story itself, but with my UNDERSTANDING the story.
When the media form relies upon its communication solely through the written word, it is imperative that the proper words are used in order to convey the intended meaning. Otherwise, the reader is thrown into a hurricane of confusion, and they spend most of their time trying to decipher what the writer actually intended on communicating.
Of course, even the most educated and talented writers make mistakes. But, I am assuming that nominal errors are not what Tracy is referring to.
As for the writer I spoke of? I couldn't get past the sixth page. I had to send it back to him with my apologies, and strongly urged him to enroll in an English course.
Has anyone additional information to share, since this topic was first introduced? I've also searched around for any news on the project he's reported as having discovered - SMUGGLER'S MOON.
If I'm understanding you correctly, November 11, 1999, U. Short Films purchased the rights. By December 23, 1999, you received notification that the contest was cancelled, due to lack of submissions. And you were told that the entry fees would not be returned?
HEL-LO. Gee, don't you think that the acquiring company would have *known* that not enough submissions were received to continue with the contest, or were they so dumb that they didn't think to ask?
I'd be pretty P/O if I were you, and I would have an official enquiry made regarding the transaction.
Good luck, MsAsh
Hmmm. Six months. I wonder how long they've been holding all the entry fees in an interest bearing account all this time?
I've heard of a casting agency (outside CA), holding back actors' paychecks, while the money from the production company sat in a short-term CD, and the casting agency pocketing the interest.
Just curious, Steve, how much was the entry fee?
You may want to check out the WGA Mentor program. It's free.
Welcome to Y2K all. But, what are we going to call this first decade of the year 2000?
In the 20th century, we'd call each decade accordingly... the 80's, 90's, but what are we going to call 2000-2009?
Post your ideas. Here's my contribution:
It's the first decade, so let's call it THE FIRST D.
I'm a board fan of Steven Karels!
Just had to say that, because he's so diplomatic.
I hear your frustration, Tom.
"It does not fit the mold."
This was my point. Who is making the mold? Are the people you're dealing with operating off of what was successful in the past, in creating their molds, or are they operating off of thorough survey results obtained from the people we're ultimately writing for?
"It is up to us to know what that HIT is."
Precisely. You find out what a HIT is by asking people what they feel about movies, etc., etc. The majority rules in creating a HIT, so tabulate your responses.
LOL, Eleanor. What a crazy world.
Actually, my dream is that (eventually) with every ticket sold, a questionnaire is given. So, as the insatiable appetites are satisfied, their ever-changing moods are monitored.
If the release you signed was similar to a production co.'s form that I signed, then I've no clue as to why the other writer would be so defensive. You were, in essence, protecting him/her.
Perhaps he/she misunderstood the document? If the writer doesn't wish to cooperate in clearing up the matter with you, I'd just blow them off.
As for your providing a reader (that happens to be a writer) with such a document, I don't think it was necessary. Would you do the same if the reader was a housewife, who has never dreamed of selling or writing a script? Even she would be just as capable of plagarism, or copycatting as anyone else.
I think that the main purpose for a production company utilizing a release form, is that they are in a position where they are exposed to a vast number of scripts and ideas. I'm sure they see similar ideas expressed, in a similar manner, many times over. This makes them much more vulnerable to lawsuits. And I'm sure lawsuits have come about in the past, otherwise no one would have devised a standard release form.
When I first started sharing my pride and joy, I was more tempted to have each person that read my material sign and date an acknowledgement, which stated they read my material on such and such date. But, I didn't want to appear rude. LOL!
It sounds like you are using a different release form, than what I am familiar with. But, again, if the message was "I promise not to sue you for writing a story about killer penguins, even though the script you're about to read is about killer penguins," then the guy is overreacting.
Personally, I wouldn't sign such a release form, which grants carte blanche to a writer to copy my intellectual property, and leave myself defenseless.
On the other hand, if the release form sends the message "Now that you're reading my story about killer penguins, you are agreeing to never write about killer penguins," then I can see how the writer would be miffed.
Ah, whatever. Let him get over it.
What would be a writer’s dream contract? A contract so dreamy and fantastic that it would make all of Hollywood, and the media, sit up and say:
If SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE sold for $4 million, then what would this dream contract pay out? Now, I didn’t know of this figure until I attended a conference and the author told us. So, I figure it would have to be a heck of a lot more than that to get tongues wagging. And while we’re at it, let’s include a percentage of the gross!!
I concur. I've had a few ideas that I chose not to develop, for fear of its potential influence.
I think regardless if the communication is expressed through the film medium, or spoken in a private conversation, any idea expressed is capable of inspiring another into action.
I'm on your side, man.
"if you spend all your time scouring the trades and websites trying to figure out what Hollywood wants"
This is my point: Do Hollywood execs want what the people really want?
For all we know, your script that got passed over by Co. X would have been a blockbuster, but because it didn't fit Mr. Exec's idea of what should be developed, he passed. Now, what if Mr. Exec had been operating off of detailed survey results, and had known that your script fit the criteria, of what was in popular demand?
THAT'S THE POINT
After making an inquiry to my congressman, Roscoe G. Bartlett, I received the following response:
“…Recently, it was reported that the United States Postal Service is considering charging users for access to the Internet, similar to a long distance phone charge. Rumors have also spread regarding a similar bill in Congress identified as “602P,” sponsored by Congressman Schnell. Rest assured that this is merely rumor. According to a U.S. Postal Service press release, dated May 21, 1999, there is no federal law or regulation containing the provisions of the alleged “602P” bill. In fact, there is no “Congressman Schnell” currently serving in the House of Representatives.”
If you will note, "Recently, it was reported that the United States Postal Service is considering charging users for access to the Internet, similar to a long distance phone charge." does not discount such a proposed bill.
"The Best Dramatic Film and Best Comedy Film were also both on the top 10 Box Office list for the year."
Hmm. I wonder if the production companies involved hired similar firms to the one I worked for in Los Angeles?
I haven't followed him, but many writers speak of him like he were a god on the Zoetrope bulletin board.
You hit the nail on the head, Laz. I was appalled by the attitude I perceived from many agents. They possessed a "holier than thou" outlook, in regards to their position towards writers.
They'll be waking up and smelling the coffee when they see their precious commissions fall into the hands of literary attorneys.
I posed the following question, as a test, to a panel of agents. "What aspect of *your job* do find the most satisfaction in?" Practically every agent in the panel appeared as if I just whipped out a gun and pointed it between their eyes. I gathered they didn't realize that their postion is *a job* and they *work* for the writer. And, by the way, not one answered me satisfactorily. I didn't hear a single response to the effect of, "I gain a great amount of satisfaction in knowing that I was part of a great project, in bringing it to fruition. One that contributed something to society, or at least brought a smile to a theatergoers face."
I think that the issue Laz has brought up has more to do with the overall impression, which many agents convey in both their work practices and demeanors.
These are actual quotes from industry professionals:
“If you know somebody (get a referral)….” Translation: You have to be accepted by somebody in The Club before your work will be allowed to brush my desk, as I am a very important member of The Club. I don’t even bother with query letters.
“You have to work to get to us.” Translation: You have to meet me in a party and “schmooze” my ass. I don’t even bother with query letters.
“I don’t even bother with query letters.” Translation: I prefer to rub elbows with the members of The Club in late night parties, on the golf course, skiing in Aspen… So, I don’t have time to work for a living. I prefer to live the grand life that was handed to me by my connection and simply parasite off the efforts of whatever is handed to me by the people who “schmooze” my ass.
There are no absolutes. Of course not every agent will maintain such a basis of operation. But, Laz makes a valid point in that more and more efforts are being made, in order to bypass the literary agent. Now, why would that be?
Additionally, John, I find it unusual that you would go through such lengths to investigate Laz’s projects, and provide us with your opinion of them. Now, why would that be?
- Ashley Moye
I received an email from them. It indicated that they had received about 400 entries and suggested that I send another SP for consideration.
It also suggested that I tell others that the deadline is January 31, 2000. Their site is www.americanaccolades.com.
Need to blow steam? Check out this new board.
Has anyone taken a look at the Agreement? It surely raised a few questions from me. I've emailed for clarification, but if anyone out there is as educated as an attorney, can you post the simple version for us?
I've received an email from Rightsline. It said that my inquiry was forwarded to their legal dept. I probably won't hear anything for a few days.
The main concern that I expressed was in regard to our relinquishing the rights of any material within the "Communities" to Rightsline, with no compensation to the Artist.
The term "Communities" had a broad and somewhat vague definition.
Just to add a bit to the drawbacks of AZ's site, you also have to take into consideration that there are writers who lack ethics and integrity. On occasion, it does happen where one writer purposely bashes another writer's script, as a means to better their own scores, or with a malicious intent, which is on a more personal level.
Take the negative feedback with a grain of salt, when it sticks out like a sore thumb, compared to your other reviewers' comments. And don't walk into the forum expecting to make a sale to American Zoetrope. To date, they've not optioned a single script from the site.
Is this what you're looking for?
FERRIS (to camera) I'd have to barf up a lung.
I don't think that you're being sexist. The bottomline is that you're gaining insight from another person's perspective.
Much as a virgin, female writer could not accurately convey how a rape victim feels, a male writer could not accurately convey how the female lead feels when she's PMSing. Both writers would need to conduct some form of research.
Whatever the sex is of the intern, he/she is not looking at how to improve the story, they're looking at whether the SP should be considered or not. It's the writer's responsibility to ensure that the story is the best it can be, *before* it gets to the intern.
Kudos to you.
Thanks for the response. I went ahead and entered too.
"ON LUCIFER" ????
What's that? A camera shot description?
Did someone ask you to do that, or do we need to discuss the issue of the writer taking such liberties?
Does anybody out there know of a spiritually aware, anti-psychiatry, producer and/or agent? I am so sick of sifting through the garbage to find a like-minded individual to team up with.
"you may have certain psychological problems"
Wow. You've completely tossed any respect that I previously held for your experience and knowledge, right out of the water.
I believe I was sufficiently concise in what I need and want in an associate.
There are writers, whose material is not of the ordinary run-of-the-mill entertainment. And I have found that the subject matter, which I tend to address in my material, is contradictory to many people's philosophical understanding.
It's a shame that you disagree with my own ideas, but that's none of my business. Perhaps you will find the treatment of ECT helpful in deleting your memory of this posting. Of course, you may find it quite painful and you may lose other memories and abilities, as it did for renowned author, Ernest Hemingway. He was quoted as saying, "Well, what is the sense of ruining my head and erasing my memory, which is my capital, and putting me out of business? It was a brilliant cure but we lost the patient." Then, he committed suicide.
Seeing how you're true intention was not to assist me, Mr. Karels, why bother responding?
*What do you care?*
Okay, okay. So there was a misunderstanding on my part. I am fiercely defensive of my beliefs. And I'm not talking about any sort of religion, either.
Let me put it this way. Psychiatry pushes the ideology that man is an animal. Nothing more than a body that is influenced by chemicals in the brain. The solution taught in psychiatric schools is to attack the brain for mental and emotional ailments.
I've already learned, through trial and error, that any individual who agrees with this belief, will be highly critical of my work.
I consistently base my characters, plots, and themes upon the fact that mankind is innately spiritual in nature.
Furthermore, I referenced the destructive nature of some psychiatric practices in one SP.
Many times, I feel as though I am chasing my tail by barking up the wrong trees. Regardless of the quality or marketability of my material, if the authoritative figure is biased (and they usually are), they *pass.*
It's simply time to narrow my choices to those that *understand* my viewpoint.
My deepest gratitude to all for your words of support.
Steve - Eloquent as usual. I humbly apologize for immediately putting up my dukes. For one to always maintain an assertiveness, in expressing a contradictory opinion... LOL! My blood still boils too highly on some subjects for me to accomplish this just yet.
BTW, Sang, I posted the same question on another board and a production company called Metafilmics was recommended. The source said that their goal is to make films about/with spirituality. I looked the company up on imdb and all they’ve produced is WHAT DREAMS MAY COME.
John - I’m really not up to getting into the topic right now, but some suggested reading would be TOXIC PSYCHIATRY by Peter R. Breggin, M.D.
Big :) Ashley
I think it's a wise move. It is in your manager's best interests to display it. It demonstrates that he knows how to pick 'em.
Hi C. Leonard,
You mention, "When I phoned their office after reading some disturbing posts on this site,..."
My, my, my. Aren't *you* the shy one. After reading all the posts here and never posting a thing. At least, until you started this thread.
P.S. - Click the red letters below.
If you are that concerned about people in your church, who evidently do not share the same opinions as you do, then you may want to consider using an alias for the screen credit.
Or you could claim that there must be another Steven Karels, who also happens to be a writer.
Or maybe you could find a church of the same religion, whose members are more understanding.
But, what I would do is just whatever the heck I want to do. If someone doesn't like it, which results in them no longer associating with me, then too bad for them.
My motto is: If they can't hang with it, then they can't hang with me. Who cares.
I'm taking a stab at this, but I'm assuming that when you send the script out, you can just put your own name on it. When it comes time to sign a contract, you can indicate then how you want to be listed in the credits.
As for WGA, I assume that they will maintain your info firstly by your SS#, listing both your real name and your pen name. The income would be claimed under your own identity. I'm sure the WGA can provide you with more info, when the time comes.
Wishing you the best.
Whewie, Laz! Hee, hee.
I'd like to sum up what you just said, in my own, crude manner....
GOSH DARNED SOBs!
Hey, can you cut and paste this over at http://pub5.ezboard.com/bashworld? Totally righteous!
Every Tuesday night is "Mark's screenwrite chat." I don't have the addie handy, but I'll add a message to one of his old threads to bring it to the top of the BB's list for you.
Here ya go.
What site is that?
I think sports-related topics will never by pass'e. Not because I've recently done a survey (LOL), but because there's simply a love of sports that is universal.
Heck, how many channels are devoted to sports?
There ya go.
Albeit I don't peruse the sites for particular movies very often, so my ability to compare is limited, but I think that Return To Me has the cutest site.
It has more than the usual promotion stuff that other films have. Kinda neat!
I'm actually grateful. Thank you for alleviating one more concern.
Uh, sure. Will you buy my ticket? (Just kidding.)
Sure, I believe you.
I thought it was pretty funny.
Seriously, though, I can't help but hear the word "directing" in your ploy, although I grasp what your intent is. The example that comes to my mind is The Four Seasons, with Alan Alda. Between each season, we saw shots of the new season coming to life in the great outdoors, with only a musical accompaniment.
The real question now is, did the original author describe these locations, or did the director dream those up?
What I would do, if I felt very strongly about the appropriateness of these transitional scenes, is write a montage.
LOCATION - Description LOCATION - Description LOCATION - Description
Dang it! I forgot this board won't let you stack. Of course "LOCATION - Description" should be stacked, one on top of the other.
Thank you for noticing.
Hmmm. We can be anal about the two.
"MONTAGE - A blending of related images, often involving multiple images and other optical tricks
SERIES OF SHOTS - A collection of short action scenes, usually used to compress time and reveal a process"
It's your vision. You decide which method will best present it.
"Are you sure >SERIES OF SHOTS only pertains to action shots"
What do the definitions state? They aren't my words (notice my quotation marks?). It seems to me, though, that your question *would be* >a correct statement.<
"I guess I should give up that part of the vision and consider it part of the director's job."
Don't give up on it, if you're doing so just because of an uncertainty in how to format it.
"The audience needs a moment before jumping into Act II. What I see in my mind works perfectly. Should I give that up, because I'm not the director. I mean, I've seen author scripts that tell you when the credits are rolling."
I can't tell you what to do. If you think it works perfectly, then great. *You* are the creator of your masterpiece. However, if you've read scripts online, which tell you when the credits are rolling, then more than likely those were the actual shooting scripts (after the director attacked it). Spec scripts should not include such specifics. For more detailed instruction, you may want to consider checking out the WGA mentor site.
Albeit, I'm not what one could call a newbie, but I am not a bona fide expert, either. I've not run into the sort of dilemma you are experiencing in my own SPs, and without seeing all that you've written thus far, I could not provide further feedback (which would simply be my opinion, natch).
Pay up, Marc. Seems to me you're just taking someone else's story and changing the cover. Right?
No matter what the law dictates, you're still, essentially, copying someone else's work. Give 'em credit. Call the publisher.
I gathered that Marc was referring to a present-time published work that was set in the eighteenth century.
Of course, any piece of literature is within the public domain, 50 years after the author is deceased.
Maybe Marc will come back and clarify it for us.
P.S. Mark - If you've got your hands on a novel from the 1700's, you'd better sell that baby to some museum or something. I can't believe it hasn't disintegrated into dust yet!
"in effect for 75 years. This is an extension over the former effectiveness of the copyright at 54 years, and was enacted on January 21, 1998."
Thank you for enlightening me, Michael. Makes me wonder what the law will be by 2005.
End of spring is towards the end of June. I've not heard a thing, and they've got two SASEs of mine to go.
Thanks for reminding me about the contest, Sang. I had forgotten about it (like you ought to, so you don't fret over it and not get anything done). :/
Don't know why, since obviously when used at the end there will be no more, but "that's the way ya do it, baby!"
LOL! I'm inclined to offer some solutions to insomnia, but I dare not to be so bold. ;D
THE END? What source are you operating off of, Paula? The materials I've used and the professionals I've consulted concur...
But, who am I to tell people like it is. You do what you want.
What were you thinking I was thinking about? LOL!
But, Steven, forever is such a long time. And people do change....
Maybe if he apologized and promised to never be so lowly again?
Hee, hee, hee...
You're pretty excited about that new technique, eh, Sang?
Yeah, I usually check out a poster's history on the board, before granting any relevance to their opinions/announcements. I'd say his history hints at additional suspicion to the guy's character.
BTW, Sang, don't drink any pineapple juice when you're all by your lonesome. LOL!
Share your take on this, folks.
A small production company holds a contest for screenwriters. They have the *competition* judge the *competition* (the entrants review other entrants work and score them).
And, here's the real kicker, the Winner of this contest gets a MILLION $$ deal, and *immediately* goes into production!
Does this make sense to any of you?
Tell him you want your money back.
You didn't deserve that attitude.
Steve, you're thinking along the lines that I was thinking. "Me smells a rat." Or a (ahem) misguided individual spreading false tales.
John, it's not the King Arthur Screenwriting Awards, and since they're not having a competition this year, there's no info on how their judging process is conducted.
"Business is business."
If I were bullied with an insulting offer, do you think it would be poor business if my doe-like eyes were to fill with tears and my chin were to crinkle anxiously? It's worked for me before.
Darn it. There goes my whole strategy.
I'm flattered, Princess.
Honestly, though, I've no trepidations concerning Zide. If I ever get around to finishing that comedy I started, I may consider them.
Thanks for the tidbit.
Jeez. Why think the company's fishy? Sounds like the guy was being honest with you. They've done T.V., and now they're looking for their first script to produce a flick.
Sounds like the kind of company a no-name, first time writer would get a break with.
Everybody has to start somewhere. And how they choose to do business, be it less than wise (or the same as the big-wigs), that's their choice.
I don't understand what's to be afraid of.
I received a rather gentle letter, stating I placed somewhere above 50%, but not within the top 20%. :(
At least it noted that the SP's biggest strength was the dialogue, but it scored lower in story structure.
(mumbling) I don't know how anymore tight the structure could be... boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy gets girl...?
Oh, well. Next!
Your turn, Sang.
I think it quite gracious of Mr. Peter Scott to drop by and clarify a few things. Thank you.
I must contend, though, that contrary to popular belief (as disseminated by the medical profession) *spit* is better than an antibiotic ointment for the treatment of wounds.
Thank you for listening. I feel much better now.
Oh, my god, Sang. Get a grip.
Uh, excuse me. You mean you folks bought that Leo was a sexy god and Rose was head over heals for him?
She looked like she should have been his nanny, and I didn't buy for one moment that they were star struck lovers.
I seriously doubt that either actor had even experienced any sort of truly impassioned, heart blossoming romance, prior to their performance in Titanic.
"Star struck" Oops, that was the reaction of the teenie bopper girls that jacked up the ticket sales. I meant "star-crossed."
It's true guys. I swear!
I had a serious gash in my hand (three stitches). I did just as the doctor told me to do and dressed it every day with a new bandage, after applying an antibiotic ointment.
While at work, this very-back-to-basics guy took a look at it, noting that I was beginning to develop an infection. He told me to not wear the bandage and lick the wound, like a cat, a dog, or a lion will do when they have an injury. Of course, I was at first repulsed by the thought. He explained, though, that our saliva contains our own body's enzymes, which naturally facilitate healing and prevent infection (look how quickly a cut in your mouth heals).
So, I took his advice. Not only did my wound's infection clear up within a day, but the slight pains I felt were instantly eased away.
That's how we get the expression, "licking wounds." See?
Let's cut the guy some slack here. He admitted in his very first post that he just found out about the site. Come on, you know how board newbies are. They get a little excited.
Dear Peter Scott:
Since receiving a nasty email from a the director of a previous contest that I entered (not you, of course), I would prefer emailing you any comments that I'd care to share.
With this in mind, perhaps you might consider posting an appropriate email address for others to do the same?
Okay! You *are* da man!
(I did giggle, though)
What do you say, Steven? Shall we have another tiff? Maybe that will get the juices pumping.
Actually, I must confess that I've been hanging out more at Done Deal's message board. I think people are more prone to debate, and to truly speak their minds there, considering the allure of anonymity. Except for me, of course. I still go by own name there.
milieu: ENVIRONMENT, SETTING
I've never heard anyone refer to it as a specific genre.
Where'd you pick that one up from?
>Their release form asks for the script's WGA registration number. Is
this an unusual request -- and one to be wary of -- or are they just trying
to make sure that it's registered?
It's no big deal. Don't worry about it. If someone really wanted to know what the WGA # was, they could just contact the WGA directly to obtain it (for verification of ownership). If you don't have it registered with the WGA, but have your script copyrighted with the U.S. copyright office, that's fine, too.
Look at this way. A legit producer doesn't want to deal with a plagarizing "writer." If you've got a manuscript that they're serious about, they want to make sure they're dealing with the bona fide owner of the copyright.
>Also, it's not clear to me how the release form would allow them to "steal my script," as one writer puts it.
There may be some shady release forms out there. I've heard of a few clauses that were rather questionable, which caused some writers to pass on that particular business entity. Standard release forms primarily protect the producer from being sued if they develop Writer A's script, which just so happens to have similarities to Writer B's script. They by no means grant the production company to use your intellectual property without negotiating a contract.
You must keep in mind that with the high volume of scripts that these companies look at, they will come across MANY scripts that are similar in nature, dialogue, etc. Just within the last couple of months, I've read two screenplays (by two different writers) that were EXTREMELY similar. Same premise. Same conflicts.
If you have any real concerns regarding a particular release form (and an excellent dictionary isn't helping you any with the lingo), I suggest you consult with an entertainment attorney, the WGA, or go to the library and check out the various reference texts that deal with such issues. I guess the best rule of thumb is, if it raises your eyebrows too much, and makes your head spin, then you need an expert's assistance.
Ya know, I really think many people have stopped posting here because their free AOL access has expired.
You're supposed to start a new thread when you drastically change the subject like that!
Think of a catchy title, too.
How about them Dodgers?
Tell it to me straight, Danial. You're really "couchguy" from Done Deal, and you came sauntering over here after Rob G. posted that thread about various writers' sites.
Just a business card. Do not denote yourself as a writer, producer, director, actor or anything. Just the basics: name and contact info.
You are *so* on my nerves.
It was at least good for getting my feet wet, and learning basically how a pitch operates.
They'd ring a friggin' bell to warn us of the encroaching five minute mark (talk about humiliating). Then, if you weren't out of your seat when the five minute signal went off, a volunteer would shove you out of your chair (even if the exec. was still asking questions!).
Of the writers I spoke with, only one said she received a request to see her manuscript (a very small pro. co.).
I think the biggest mistake I made, was spacing out my sessions. I should have done them within 10 minutes of the other, but instead, I gave myself about an hour to regroup/"rest"/recover. (sigh) I would have been better off just getting it all over with in one shot, because I just wore myself out, trying to keep up the energy level.
Just keep in mind that the person you're speaking to *is* just another person (like you), and may very well be nervous, too. After all, this may be *their* first pitch session.
I breathlessly exhale,
As if a starving child, my appetite has finally been satiated. It’s been years since a cinematic experience has moved me so greatly.
Russell Crowe explodes with passion…such fire…such strength.
My dying desire to tell the tale has been relumed by this sheer masterpiece of poetry…such beauty…such eloquence.
Ridley Scott is a master at his craft. He *is* genius.
Ahhhh, but I did take a nod at the writer(s). I just didn't name names.
"this sheer masterpiece of poetry…such beauty…such eloquence."
I'd also like to thank the gaffer, the costume people, the make-up artists, the extras...
But, then again, I kind of figure that would be redundant. Most folks recognize that when the filmmaker is commended, all those involved are commended. At least, that was my intention. And most folks that I know usually recognize the director as the one who stands at the helm. (whispered) Even though the producers might think differently. ;)
I apologize for any hard feelings that may have come about from this misunderstanding.
Would you send me a clipping of your hair?
Looking at it from the pro. co. rep's viewpoint...
1) If the *writer* has got to refer to anything written down, they don't know their story. Bad Sign.
2) Meeting a potential 100 or so writers, during a pitchmart type of setting, and having each of those 100 or so writers hand me a synopsis is going to piss me off. I'd walk in with the understanding that any requested materials will be delivered to *my office.* And if a writer has that on them? Amateur. Bad Sign.
But, you're all free-thinking adults. Do as you like. Heck, walk in with such confidence that you're carrying the SP wrapped in a shiny, gold ribbon.
I fail to see how more obvious I would need to be. Was there a word that you didn't understand? Perhaps it was "relumed" that threw you off. Not too many people use that word, these days.
...and the PAs, Craft Services, the drivers...?
Rocking, Eleanor!! What pitch fest was this? And did you shedule your pitch sessions close together -- badda bing badda boom? Or did you space them out?
Just goes to show how much inaccurate information is out there. And how much ill-advised writers are out there (like me).
Mental note: Published authors/produced screenwriters are not always experienced in the art of selling.
Much like a woman be poetry in motion, a film can inspire the same, moving sense of beauty that a short poem evokes in its reader.
As for the "no one loves me" ploy, what makes you think that was the character's *true* motivation? I figured he was lying, and had a hidden agenda. I mean, the guy was underhanded and did you know what to you know who.
Frederich Mensch -
Are we ever going to be able to edit our posts?
Oh, yeah. That's the same one that I went to in 1999, when it was at Hotel Nikko. We were only allowed three scheduled meetings that year, and I didn't feel experienced enough to do an onslaught like you did in the general line.
It was called "From Concept to Sale." Man, I learned A LOT that weekend.
Thanks for the info!
Sheeesh. I think Randy's take was spot-on.
Thanks, Frederick. And also for your doting attention. :)
Well, Eric. Sorry to see that your attempt to end the jabs was futile.
"It's a sad commentary that people have such poor reading comprehension skills."
I don't know, Tracy. Would you care to elaborate on this?
BTW: Relumed means to light up again; REKINDLE.
Did that help you any?
I am so tired of this bullsh*t. I don't know why I friggin' bother with some of you people. Ah, now I remember. The majority are worthwhile individuals, who possess admirable personalities.
I'm going to go back to cybersleep, now.
If you're interested in anything from directing to working storyboards, check out Coppola's new site.
If anything, it'll at least start out as a great way for unknown talents to hook up for indie projects.
Thank you for invitation.
I don't currently have a SP up, and I'm hoping that Tom will have the new site ready to transfer the old site's membership over today (they've had a problem for folks using Netscape). So, once my review credits come over, I can get back into reviewing.
How laid back is laid back?
This may sound somewhat... frivilous, but what was the typical attire? Was it "laid back," as in shorts and jeans?
The conferences I've attended in the past (elsewhere) were more along the lines of aesthetic business attire to fashionable, casual work attire.
I just wanna know if I'd stand out like a sore thumb, if I wore that sheer leg and arm thang, with the wrap around tunic. LOL
That is, if I decide to attend. ;)
If at all possible, you may want to consider "passing by" (incognito of course) and get a feel for their attitudes toward appropriate business attire, beforehand.
Not that I've met with producers or studio execs, in the aspect of negotiating terms or talking a contract, but my initial instinct would be to dress equally to my acquaintances. And if I wanted to take on the more powerful stance, I would dress a step above them.
Hmmm. What to wear. What to wear.
Can we laugh at ourselves?
Seriously, I envision myself in that sheer arm and leg thingy with the wrap-around (opaque) tunic, high heels, and freshly manicured, Elvira-long finger nails, which I would annoyingly tap on the mahogany table, as I'd cock an eyebrow...
(Sharon Stone stunt) LMAO! Oh my! I wouldn't. I couldn't. I'd NEVER!
"I'm a good girl, I am!"
I remember this subject being brought up before, maybe somewhere else. The response (as I recall was from an experienced individual) indicated that you should just query in the email form, rather than asking first. His explanation was that the writer would be creating twice the work load on behalf of the receiver.
BTW, I finally finished that comedy. ;)
End of August, I think.
(I know I'm going to start a fight here w/someone)
Here's my take:
The majority (well, since I can't say I've actually investigated each person, let's just say MORE than anyone would care to admit) of people involved with the film industry are a bunch of messed up, drug using, perverted sickos. And it seems the higher up you go on the ladder, the more money they've got to invest in their perversions.
Do you really think this lot would go for a G-rated SP?
My hands are up in the air, and I feel for you, man.
Can I try to beat that, Laz?
I left a message for this rep. He called me back and left a message, thinking I was Ashley Judd!!! LMAO, what a friggin' idiot! He gave me his cellphone#, too! ROTFL
Can someone explain this to me? I took a look at the aliases on the AZ site. This makes no sense to me. First off, the AZ site reflects the date and time (Pacific) when someone joins. Moviebytes lists the date and time (Eastern) when someone adds their message. Here's the timeline:
7/24 @ 3:11 a.m. (Eastern) Hugh posts a substantial message at Moviebytes.
7/24 @ 3:23 a.m. (Eastern) Hugh posts a rather lengthy message at Moviebytes.
7/24 @ 3:24 a.m. (Eastern) Holly Wood joins the A.Z., then the same machine hosts Hugh's new membership at 5:15 a.m. (Eastern).
Either a) "Hugh" is pretty stupid, or b) someone wants "Hugh" to look pretty stupid, and they're practically living on the Internet (and are pretty fast, devious thinkers).
Hi, Peter! How's it going?
Gary, it is now 11:34 p.m. (Eastern), and after chatting with C.J., I think it could also very well be a coincidence. I recall the Hugh Jhardon joke being emailed around a few years back...
Let's just give it a rest.
Wah! Wah! Wah!
(pinch your nose tightly) "Hi, I'm Ms. Whiner!"
(stop pinching your nose) If the discussion topics don't suit your taste, then take the initiative and start something on your own.
Jesu-pesu. I can't believe you guys are talking about what we're *not* talking about. LOL!
"What are some of your favorite scripts (not films) and why."
Mine, because the characters do and say *exactly* what **I** want them to.
And my other Mine, because the characters do and say exactly what *I* want them to.
And that other Mine, because the overall message still brings joyous tears to my eyes. Damn I'm good...
Yeah, that's right. Anybody wanna make something of it? >:\
...I just crack myself up.
Come on, Bill. Say it. *Say it!* SAAAAY IIIIIIT.
Just don't let it go to your head, Mr. Writer-guy. Or the demons of Morpheous will converge upon your soul, and squelch the life out of you.
(Don't know if that's exactly true. I just made that up.)
Vivid imaginations can be a curse, though. Kind of like when I shake someone's hand and can see their future/past. Scary stuff.
But, thanks for the compliment, Randy.
On a volunteer basis, and anonymity is granted (if you so desire), check out http://hollywoodbitchslap.com
From the trend of fewer reviews being posted, as of late, it looks like the veterans are tiring of the hobby.
FYI: The "bitch" part isn't about women, it's about Hollywood Execs.
Ooops. That should be...
Why should I? What did he ever do for me?
Or is this some sort of inside joke?
With that title, I thought someone was about to die. This brought up a morbid question. What if someone around here died? Who'd tell us?
"Faithful readers of MovieBytes never die. Especially those who subscribe to Who's Buying What."
LOL! Is that a hint?
Frederick, I'm beginning to think you have a little bell that goes off whenever your name appears in a post.
The tension mounts.
Ahh, the an-ti-ci-
All updates will be posted on the above-referenced website.
Sorry, Steven, but I must disagree with you.
Since a wee lass, I've known that with the coming of the new millenium that there would be an increased tension amongst the people of planet earth.
The end is near.
You see, our minds were programmed eons ago to self-distruct once the millenium was upon us.
And outbursts, such as what we have just witnessed here, is only the tip of the iceburg.
I wish you all the best of luck.
May the force be with you, those are the true light of the spiritual universe.
You see those errors in my post? It's happening to me, too! Oh, my GOD! My mind is already starting to turn into mush!
MONKS CHANTING (What's that music called?)
That's it. Thanks, Miriam.
Truth be known, I'd wager they haven't received the sort of response they were hoping for. If you really look at the amount of time they've allotted, from the announcement to the tentative start date, and the barely audible whisper they've granted for promotion... Makes me wonder, "Hmmm." (But, only because you brought it up.)
Sondra's take was pretty close to my own.
My first reaction was that *an actor* (or their rep) tells you to submit to some online service?!? *That* makes NO sense to me. Either the story sounds appealing to him/her, and they want to see it -- delivered to their doorstep, or they don't. Plain and simple.
Yeah, it sounded like a new way of brushing someone off.
Share with us. What level of success has this actor achieved? That would be a big clue as to what you were *really* being told.
I don't know how much I've spent until I do my tax return (that knot in my stomach is tightening up again).
I'm not gonna say what I claimed last year, because you wouldn't believe me, but it was much more than I could afford (believe me).
And I didn't pay a dime for a script listing service, nor for any creative directory services.
I just spend $it$ when I have it and when I have to.
For all: I checked out StoryXchange. It's the first such site that didn't make me cringe. I don't see anything to lose there.
For J.J.: Aw, come on! Now you've really piqued my interest. Who's the guy? If you don't want to go public, then email me (addie in bio).
"I'm a little nervous about a competition that will have the winner decided by other writers reading the entries."
Imagine a beauty contest, with the contestants scoring their competition...
No kidding. This fellow I work with has a Gateway laptop. For some mysterious reason, his entire hard drive was recently wiped out and he had to replace it. Even now, though, files mysteriously disappear, and certain keyboard commands are quite unreliable.
That monster has a mind of its own.
Hey, Chris. Ouch.
I was afraid to check my mail, too. I did anyway, though. No word, yet.
Oh, my GAWD, I can't *stand* it!
I sure hope somebody answers you quick, Stephen, because that one made my head feel kinda empty.
OH! LOL!! It's the "peas 'n' beans" stuff.
Additional note: a professional extra told me that the pros mouth "peas 'n' beans" over and over again, rather than actually pretending to say something for real, so it looks like they're actually carrying on a conversation.
Just extras, Ran?
What about D.G.?
HAVE HEART. NEED DEAL.
I emailed 'em awhile back about that. All you can do is look at it from your side, through "account maintenance."
This allows you to make changes and proof it, but you can't see how it looks on the purchasers' side... like you can at Zoetrope.
Oh, yeah. You can't see the other writers' submissions, unless you're a purchaser.
HTML can appear to be scary and complex, but I learned the basics in just a couple of hours.
Check it out at www.htmlclinic.com.
Speaking of which...Just testing.
You never told us, Frederick.
Oh, yeah. And one more thing. Websites come cheap. Free set-up. About $10.00 a month.
Those guys probably aren't going to hurt too much.
"I've gradually been losing respect for contests. Most make a big parade of anonymity, but suppose I'm a reader, and you're my friend. Won't I know the TITLE of your sp? I suspect that the fix is in A LOT."
But, John, what would the chances be of such a situation? Certainly, with the number of readers participating throughout the judging rounds, there would be a slim chance of the reader friend being assigned with the writer friend's SP.
Unless the writer was closely connected to the entire competition, and the majority of those involved, your theory isn't substantially significant enough to consider a broad based problem through the contest circuit.
I think there [i]are[/i] just too many unbiased readers and judges for The Fix Theory to be a valid argument.
Ooops. Didn't use HTML.
There, I feel better, now.
Well, all rightie, then.
Hey, you guys notice the Venice Arts e-Screenwriting Banner Ad? It says, "Automatated Query Submission Service"!!
LOL! Automatated!! Get it?
Well, Cinder-Ash won't be going to the ball, unless she friggin' wins.
So, is there anybody else out there that's still waiting for some kind of notification? And, man, this is stressing me out to the point where I think I've got the flu.
LOL, Robert. The thought that my SP got lost has crossed my mind, too. So, uh, which category are you in? Mine's in the Adult category.
And, you know, it really doesn't make any sense that I'd be having these flu symptoms. I got the flu shot last Halloween.
Well, D.G., I'd love to go out and do something fun, but now these flu-like symptoms have been accompanied by acute bronchitis.
And, I feel somewhat too delirious to visualize people chanting my name. (Tee-hee.)
Hey, Robert, my sentiments exactly! ;D
Cinder-Ash is going to have to find a different party.
The axe has fallen.
Yeah, I think it bites that the writer would get such peanuts.
The only writers that may truly profit from this venture, would probably be those in the top ten and top three stages.
Just 'cause you enter, and get that far, doesn't mean you can't solicit other companies. And with the potential publicity one might receive at that level? Who knows what offers may come in.
Another thought came to my calculating mind. I didn't really see where it stipulated that you, as the creative producer, couldn't bring any other companie$ on board. ;) I'll certainly be looking that one over.
"I plan to submit and will be very happy to take peanuts, if I end up as successful as Damon and Afleck."
Who are you? One of Affleck.com's little minions? Are you not familiar with the term Exploitation?
Bull-friggin-bull-sh*t. As if it weren't bad enough all ready that the movie industry exploits aspiring actors (i.e.: the non-union extras usually get a lousy $50/day?!?).
Miramax is going to be making beaucoup bucks. And these guys have the audacity to nonchalantly toss the "winner" a token prize? I hope their top three picks all get more lucrative offers elsewhere,* and take their wares elsewhere, while Greenlight gets left with the crumbs.
Now, since Affleck and Damon are so concerned about assisting aspiring filmmakers break into the biz, then they ought to be damned happy with themselves for doing their good deed for the day, if that* happens.
"Gretta Newbie" sounds like "Hugh Jhardon."
God, guys. Am I slow, or what?
Sang: You can drop out anytime. My understanding, as far as the rights are concerned, is only in regard to the contest itself, not that your script can be made into a feature film.
The one "hook" for me, quite frankly, was that even if you're the winner and another outside entity makes you an offer, you may have the ability to up the ante. Greenlight has "Last Refusal Rights." So, you shoot 'em an email with the other company's info and they have 30 days to respond with a matching, or better, offer.
It may very well be that they find such a gem, they will be inclined to shell out a decent price for the writer's script, in such a scenario.
Granted, the other hook is the publicity generated for the writer/directer. I didn't mention a single beef I had about that, but it still irked me that the amount that the writer would get is about minimum wage. (To get the 82K, you also have to direct, which means you'll be running around like a chicken with your head cut off.)
I do have to agree with Robert, in that the focus appears to be more on the HBO series, than the final product. It's a different slant on Reality T.V., like Big Brother.
I don't pay too much attention to that show, but aren't they getting a lot of negative publicity and the public can't STAND any of those guys?
Considering the integrity, of the majority of the regulars here, I think it goes without saying that the reviews done by these fine people will be honest.
And the way I see it, anyone that gets "ahead" in life by cheating is, in the long run, only hurting themselves. They'll eventually be met with a gruesome failure that unearths the fact that they are a fraud.
Thus endeth my sermon for the month.
And I had started thinking that you didn't love me anymore.
This contest is laughable. I recently discovered that Greenlight is being promoted to the general public on television.
(snicker) (snort) Bah-hahahahhahaha!
OH MY GOD, regardless of what the rules state, we're gonna have teeny boppers logging in and reviewing.
"Um, like, I really hated this script 'cause, like, there wasn't enough, um, pictures, I guess, to understand what this person was trying to say. And, like, every other line were these weird words like, int. and ext. I don't really remember what the story was about cuz like, my mind's now a total blank, dude."
I, for one, am not going to place too much significance in this parade.
"And if anyone really believes teeny boppers are going to waste their valuable time reading and reviewing scripts on-line, they must be doing way too much reefer in the girl's room."
Assuming that your sentence structure is correct ("they" being the third person pronoun in reference to "anyone"), I take it that it was written with the intent to take some sort of stab at me. I find your tactics to be in poor taste, Anonymous Writer. You are laughable. Not only are you far off base, but you severely out of line.
I suggest you resign yourself to the chat rooms and message boards, the like of hollywoodreporter.com.
You have successfully discredited yourself as any sort of credible source for information.
What say you, Steven? Should we have Frederick ban this fellow from Moviebytes for all eternity?
Here. Knock yourself out.
Sorry, Steven L., if you took offense. I, however, do not take too lightly to such a slanderous innuendo. And I am not one to simply turn the other cheek.
F.Y.I. - My earlier reference to "Steven" was for Steven K.
Aw, I'm over it.
Thank you, Steven K., for your diplomatic words of poetry.
I hear a hero, off in the distance...
"Here I come to save the day!"
Life's a bitch.
That is a wonderful idea, Frederick.
What's the estimated launch date?
After skimming the message board @ greenlight, I foresee an extensive list of people, who are going to be absolutely devastated.
The majority come across as 19-25ers, who are already dreaming up visions of grandeur.
I picture these kids at their computer terminals, delerious with hope.
Sounds like it would make a good documentary. Maybe Greenlight ought to consider that for next year's round.
Um, anyone here been hanging out there? I've not gained access.
"It would offer a great means for producers and agents to check the veracity of a query they've received."
"I'm not sure that any other that wannabe producers would actually search the database for writers."
Assuming that your definition of "wannabe" is along the lines of one that is working toward a goal, but not yet substantially successful, wouldn't you say that there are plenty of wannabe writers in a similar boat as a wannabe producer?
If they got the dough, I'm gonna go! (OMG, I'm starting to write like D.G.B.)
LOL, Paula. Do mean "interesting," as in that outlandish costume of frilly lime green and pink satin lace to be an "interesting" dress?
"Ashley, You sound a little presumptuous with that ignorant statement "The majority come across as 19-25ers, who are already dreaming up visions of grandeur." What makes you think that. How can you lump a 25 year old in the same category as a 19 year old. Who are you? Remember this, a fool at 30 is a fool for life."
Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black...
1. For one to be ignorant, they must lack experience and knowledge. Thus, since I've had a bit more opportunity to observe human behavior, than you are assuming, and I have reviewed many of the postings there, one can not factually state that I am ignorant.
2. I can lump the 25 year olds within the same category of the 19 year olds, because this is a free country, and I have every right in the world to do so.
3. Who am I? ... Who am I... Well, I did post a bit of information about myself in my profile. Other than that, I really don't see why I would go into further detail with a complete stranger. I suppose, if you'd really to wish investigate the matter further, you could cyber-stalk me and read every post I ever make. Perhaps you'd learn a bit more about me.
4. Aren't we all fools?
5. Evidently, you suffer from constipation. I know that ailment puts me in a rather anal mood. I hope you feel better.
Well then, John. Does this then mean that the collective meaning of "wannabe" is simply one that wants to be, but just doesn't have the goods?
In other words, it is derogatory. Yes?
John - Cassandra? ...
Thank you for affirming my initial understanding of the term "wannabe." I've since come across a few, who think otherwise.
Ah, well. I'll let them go ahead and put that label on their lapel. Heh-heh-heh.
"ROTFLMAO!!! Girl, you are too funny. So tell me, is it really true that ignorance is bliss? Response #2 was a copout. Don't let your arrogance precede you. No, I don't wish to cyber stalk you, but thanks for the invite. BTW, you really suffer from constipation? I've never had that problem before. Probably because maintaining an active lifestyle coupled with proper nutrition, has shielded me from a lot of ailments that many others suffer from. E-mail me so I can help you get your body in shape."
1. The times I've discovered myself to have been ignorant of something, I then realized that it may have been blissful, at that time, but I suffered the consequences later on.
2. I beg to differ.
3. I think I'm in pretty darn good shape, but maybe I should lay off the cigarettes a bit. I find that whenever I eat fake cheese, like on cheap pizza, it stops things up. I find, though, that the matter eventually works its way through, after a couple of days. I hear prunes do wonders, though.
4. I think you're lying. Or maybe you were constipated, at least once, and you've forgotten the experience.
Then, again, I don't find the topic to be sufficiently enthralling to extend the issue.
In my opinion, there is much validity to that old adage.
I’m not worried about any fishy script listing services surfacing, or wannabe producers attempting to swindle me (if I ever came across one). My reasoning is this:
The sort of people that I would feel most compatible working with would see any such service, or questionable individual, for what they are. And they would not be associated with that entity.
There is something to be said, about the quality of a person, to be a sign of the quality of their work (and vice versa).
If Joe Schmoe wants to be a part of the bilking of the untapped writing talent that’s out there, more power to him. I have a hunch, though; he’s not going to be contributing much to “mainstream America” with whatever he finds.
He’ll eventually fade away….
What’s that word again? Integrity?
"Storybay's chances of finding anything fabulous are slim."
Ahhh. So, what you're saying is that Storybay is a dumping ground for scripts that have no where else to go, and are typically sent in by desperate writers. Maybe once in awhile they may happen across something that a production company may have interest in.
Perhaps they ought to change their mission statement? "For X$, we will read your script, so we can tell you that it's not ready to get a recommend. For X$ more, we'll offer suggestions on what we think will make it better."
Let's say that they get 5,000 scripts one year, and all those writers go make their script better with the feedback they received. So what. Will that mean that these 5,000 scripts are going to be given the greenlight, now? Nope.
The way I see it, if a script has to be rewritten so many times, by a handful of people, why bother? Aren't there a sufficient number of scripts already, which didn't require as much work, by a natural talent?
If something has got to be forced to that point, then where's the magic? Where's the purity?
I just do not buy into all this "how to" crap. Either you've got talent, or you don't. It's not something that is taught. It's something that is developed and nurtured.
I can't help but chuckle. All of these edumacated [sic] terms.
Not naming any names, I know this writer, who never took a real writing class in her life, nor knew anybody in the writing field, but she wrote this kickass story just for the fun of it.
Then, she decided that it might be a good idea to sell it. So, she goes to all these conferences and such, where they "teach" people how to write. And she hears these foreign words like "protagonist" and "antagonist" and "story arc" and yadda yadda yadda, and she realizes, "Yeah, I did that. So, what's the big secret?"
Then, she decides to enter a few contests and does much better than average. Other critiquing writers say, "Wow!"
Finished product with no guidance. Unheard of?
Technique is taught, sure. This standard technique, though, is based upon previous, successful stories. Right? So, who taught the founders of the Art of Storytelling?
Sorry, but talent is an innate quality. Let's not confuse the two. Technique vs. Talent.
Also, just to clarify, when I speak of the manner in which the talent of storytelling is nurtured, I do not mean that one does as they are told to do by an authoritative figure. Yes, one practices. Yes, one improves their ability to convey their vision. But, to go as far as teaching "realistic dialogue" or how many pages into the story should you introduce the main character, and at what point you should reach the climax of the story arc... I think that's just sterilizing the entire idea.
I don't think the trick is being told what movie I should see in my mind, or what happens. Here lies the talent of the whole proposal, seeing the movie in the mind's eye first.
I think the trick is simply then putting that onto paper, thus enabling others to see what you see. Herein may then lie what needs guidance and nurturing.
Do you see the difference?
1, 2, 3, and 4! LOL
I love it! I like this guy.
So glad to hear that you really don't need those inch-thick spectacles after all, Frederick.
When did you ever accuse me of having a burr in my saddle? I thought I was your princess and darlin' and you say such a mean thing?
Ran is da man!
And now he's a [b]star[/b] 'cause he's the first (not including Frederick) Moviebytes regular to be named in a Topic Title!!
Darn, I was kind of hoping I would be... LOL! (You think I'm kidding?)
Gee, thanks, but I don't think this one counts. There's no real occasion for it. If something ever turns up, I'll be sure to utilize this topic, though! And no one could claim that I was self-promoting myself, too much.
Um, I've discovered that grapes with seeds are better than seedless grapes. (Just figured I'd toss that in there.)
You can take advantage of a one-week trial membership at http://www.hcdonline.com, then just save all the info you want on a disk. Last time I checked, it was less than $10.00.
"Fair enough?" That's all you can say, Robert? I feel let down by your lack of regret, here. If I had just confused StoryXchange for a site like Storybay, I'd feel a bit more inclined to express more sorrow than that.
Not to make a mountain out of a mole hill, but from where I come from, the appropriate time to say "fair enough" is when two people arguing make a compromise.
Not when you make an honest error and the other party diplomatically sets you straight.
I didn't demand groveling -- don't patronize me. I don't recall ever doing that to you.
Hey, Sang. I see your name on there.
Pat yourself on the back and pretend it's from me. Um, wait...
Just checking out a few things...
Click here for secret message!
Hee-hee. And don't tell me I have too much time on my hands.
Some lady posted her nude website over at Greenlight!
We're debating monogamy vs. infidelity!
People are hooking up for big parties, where the media will be in attendance!
We're watching people make complete fools of themselves...
Is that entertainment, or what?
I thought issues on both fronts were resolved, and both will be realizing closure.
Oompa Loompas! .... Pimp your script here! .... Best SPs here, NO PIMPING ALLOWED! ..... Red Rover move over! ... (Ah, ah) ... BIG party at Planet Hollywood! ... sex, sex, sex ... Hey, look at me!!
(Catching breath) Oh, hi.
Sorry, Randy, but I've not given a single thought to my joining WGA.
One bridge at a time.
Actually, I'll be honest. I'm pretty disaffected by this union thing.
It seems to me that what they (esp. SAG) have accomplished is hindering talented individuals from making a living.
The true purpose of a union is to ensure fair and adequate treatment/pay for the employee, not create an obstacle for those that aspire to work in a specific industry.
These qualifications, which are mandatory in order to join, are criminal. Sure, if someone gets a job as "blah," they should be required to join the union at a reasonable fee, and abide by the rules and regulations of the union. And these rules and regulations are to provide strength to those that work in that profession. They are workers [b]united[/b]. If someone [i]breaks[/i] those rules, then they are ousted from the union and can no longer work in that profession.
But, the purpose of a union is not to exclude people from a particular line of work. That's almost the equivalent of a mafia organization.
I believe we have federal laws regarding the treatment of employees (re: breaks, meals, etc.).
I wonder what would happen, if there were more detailed laws enacted that addressed the issues, which some unions have taken on the responsibility for (since producers can not take it upon themselves to treat another human being fairly and with integrity)?
I think, regardless of one's status as union or non-union, the cream rises to the top. The individual that worked hard to get noticed to get an audition, then earned the part, is a sufficient test as to whether or not they are deserving to work in that field.
For a hardworking individual, to automatically have a door shut from the get-go, simply because they are non-union, is bogus.
I've come across many a SAG member, who possessed absolutely no talent or experience.
From my observations, the SAG members that boasted their status and are the most vocal about maintaining the union, are also the ones that are relying on the exclusivity of the union to provide them with work. They know that, without the union, there would be ten+ people out there, who are more capable than they, to fill their shoes.
Add to this the initiation fee and the dips into future paychecks, I'm sorry, but the union looks more like extortion.
No. No. No, Randy. I don't want to go back to the initial subject.
[b]I want a revolution![/b]
Cry out! Let's hold a rally. Boycott! [i]Let's see what else....[/i] Ah! Overturn cars, burn buildings, um... mayhem! Yeah, that's the ticket!
Oh, who am I? Just one person.
Never mind. As you were.
I say get rid of the "A Film by" credit all together. It's pointless. In fact, it's a film by everyone involved, so with all those involved getting their applicable credit, "A Film by" is just being redundant.
There. That'll fix it.
Any more problems you need me to fix?
A) You know how to reach me.
B) Take on a second identity.
Well... I did say never mind.
But, ya know, a revolution doesn't always have to be ugly.
It's HTML, buddy.
Do this, but without the *
Thank you for being there.
Do this, without the spaces:
< b > boldword(s)
< i > itallic word(s) < /i >
Okay. Now I see Frederick's concern.
Help! I'm stuck in italic land.
Whew. That's better.
Yes, my friends. Our suspicions were accurate. I just read the reviews of my entry. I purposely did not mention on any of the writer boards that I frequent of my handle or entry name. I wouldn't want to be accused of cheating, now would I? Nor did I mention it via email or alert real world friends and family of my G.P. participation. Thus, suffice it to say that all reviews were done by strangers.
I posted the following message to the Technical personnel, perhaps as a head's up:
I said it months ago, and I'll say it again. You can not trust the majority of human beings to possess integrity.
On the moviebytes message board, we recognized the inability of "beauty contestants" judging their competition. For the most part, they can not judge from an unbiased point of view. And we were right.
Scroll down to my response to one of your top 250 entrants, Andromeda, on the following thread (BTW, I've not the foggiest as to who she really is. She and I became cyberly acquainted on that thread.):
As an already recognized exceptional writer, by industry pros via the contest circuit, my only summation comes to the affirmation that Greenlight has simply failed. Yes, it was made known from the beginning that your plea for good sportmanship was desired, however, whatever technology utilized (if any), to sort out the bogus/slamming reviews, was evidently lacking in design.
Sorry, but the naysayers possess more foresight than you."
So, to the other industry personnel that stop by here (i.e., Peter Scott, Todd Koerner), now you know.
But, I warned 'em. I did my best.
So, to the other writers that participated, I'm sorry that you didn't do as well as I'm sure you would have. So much for reduced airfare to the top.
Yours truly, The Deity
Hi, Randy: You’re always so thoughtful. I know what you mean about the crass and offensive dialogue, but I steered clear from those sorts. I did come across a few upstanding folks, though.
As for the "stealing of ideas," with the large volume of SPs in the data base, it would be real difficult for someone to peruse them and find something worthy to steal. Mine will be deleted, so I'm not worried.
Hi, Steve: No. Roses is too good for this sort of contest, and my directing it would have been over my head. It needs someone like Ridley Scott! LOL! I finished a romantic comedy, in July, and submitted that one.
What’s really funny is that the first scene slug clearly indicates that the setting takes place in the (SUMMER). What one reviewer indicated, on the review form, was that there was a blizzard scene. And that this down south farce also required a battle scene. LOL! Mine is just one example, of many, where unethical participants blatantly and willfully attempted to reduce the scores of their opposition.
If I were in charge, I’d cancel the whole darn thing, now, rather than face the embarrassment and additional costs of discovering that there isn’t a single SP, in the Top 30, that aren’t even worthy enough to go direct to video (do not pass go, do not collect $200.00). After a bit of human investigation, I will safely suppose that it will be determined that the validity of the scores has been compromised, thus nullifying the integrity of the Top 250. With these fellows selecting the next Top 30 based upon the bio videos, alone, the chances of them selecting a SP that shouldn’t be in the 250 will significantly increase. It’ll be just another lottery pick.
Unless, they don’t really care, and their true intentions are to make an ass of the “winner,” for all to point their fingers at and laugh. In which case, that person’s film career aspiration will be ruined. Oh, well.
Uh, now I’m starting to feel like I’m talking to myself. See ya.
If they have professional writers put their $1.00 worth into patching up the winner's script, it really won't be the winner's script, anymore.
What was the whole point, then?
J.J.: I didn't shed a tear. I felt more satisfaction in my initial suspicions being proved right (unfortunately).
Paula: I just realized who the two Oscar winners were, that you were talking about! LOL! Ow, oh, my stomach hurts! Seriously, have they written anything since GWH? Hmmmm. I wonder why that is? What's the term? Flash in a pan?
Scam or not, any lawyer will tell you that do not have a binding contract, unless there is the exchange of good ol' legal tender, even if it's just $1.00.
They sound like amateurs, and a waste of time. But, if you don't care how the end product looks, and you just want a credit to put on a resume, go for it.
Just don't count on making any money, when, and if, it ever saw distribution.
I just got a form letter (email) from P.G., regarding the extent of their investigation to confirm the validity of reviews. They only investigated the top 275, and no one else's.
Oooooh! Get more, Todd!
Mwah-ha-ha-ha-haaaaa... (Her eyes bug out devilishly, as she wrings her hands together greedily.)
Oh, yeah? Well, bah-humbug! I hate Christmas!
See, when the stork dropped me off on Christmas day, my chute got caught in a tree and everybody was so busy celebrating Christmas that they didn't hear me crying. It wasn't until the next day that someone finally climbed up the tree and got me.
I was so cold and hungry... and it's all that damn holiday's fault!!!
Just because I hated Christmas, as a little boy-- uh, I mean girl, none of the other children would let me play reindeer games-- uh, I mean dodge ball. And I was always the last one picked on sports' teams, too!
Then, when I was about eight, I had this crush on a boy and we were all supposed to give Christmas presents to someone in our class. Even though I hated Christmas, I liked him so much that I made this angel out of a bunch of crap from my parent's house. (Why they were both women, I don't know.) Anyways, I was really proud of myself and brought it to school the next day to give it to him, but all the elves laughed at me-- uh, I mean kids.
So, I got mad and threw it across the room and broke it, then I ran away to this big mountain (without a coat or hat or gloves) and hollowed out the mountain and made a home out of it.
I've been there ever since.
Now everybody says I'm a mean one and that three ghosts are going to visit me tonight-- uh, I mean that I'm not going to get any presents this year.
All I can say is, "What-ever!" I went ahead and bought me my own, damn present. Yup! I got me a new printer!!
AND IT'S REALLY COOL, TOO!
You didn't ROTFLYAO?
(sigh) I guess you had to be there.
Wait a sec, do you read this stuff out loud? Try reading it out loud, like a spoiled, rotten, whiny brat.
That was some funny stuff, there! (Am I alone in my sense of humor?)
Heck, man, I got's me a friggin' hot tub and a super dee-lux home theater system, complete with six-speaker surround sound, DVD player, and a 36-inch Trinitron High Definition Screen Teley-vi-sion.
Ow! (Slappin' my butt -- sizzle)
(ahem) Um, if you'd like to email me a document, I could certainly print it off. Unfortunately, I would not likely be able to inter-office the item to you.
After you make a name for yourself, and you're raking in the dough, don't take the gold diggin' ho back, when she comes slithering back to you.
But, try not to hold any feelings of resentment towards her (and the others like her). It'll just eat you up inside and make you bitter. Feel sorry for her, instead.
Rule #1) Never rely on a man for anything.
Rule #2) Never - no matter what - never, ever forget Rule #1.
How's that, Steve? Even?
Hey! It's my (belated) bytesday! Remember?
Topic: Compelled to Write Author: Ashley Moye Posted: 12/11/99 03:50 PM
Yeah, yeah, yeah! Do it, man. Do it! But, I hope you won't do, or not do, something that you feel strongly about, simply because someone else told you what you SHOULD do. If anything, writing something that pleases you ought to be your true aim. Isn't that how you started writing in the first place?
Happy bytesday to me...
I resolve to use dental floss, so as to reduce the cost of my next visit to the dentist.
Can you strangle a receptionist with dental floss?
Eeeewwww. Thanks for that vivid picture.
Wha? You thought I was joking, Randy?!?
What about a little color?
What about a little color?
Seems to me that the charges against each individual would be based upon each individual's degree of involvement, and the specific damage done by each party.
If the red paint was the only life threatening hit, which the victim suffered, then only that gunman would be charged with the greatest degree of charges (i.e., First, Second, Third degree Assault, Attempted Murder, etc.).
I recommend you address your question to a specialist at this site:
I've received much help from these generous volunteers.
Crab legs are waiting for me. Happy New Year!
LOL, Randy. I think you're my only fan. It was a pleasure, thank you.
(NO, I DID NOT SEND HIM ANY NUDIE PICS!!)
What kind of info are you looking for? Since they've already got your goods, what more do you need to know?
I'm sure that Frederick has too much grace to say what I think of your indignant and rude post.
Stick it, you little ingrate.
My, my, my.
Seems Mr. D.S. can't help but resort to foul language (privately, of course), when confronted with criticism.
I hope he found my response to be sufficiently equal to his choice of vocabulary.
Play on, gentlefolk.
Codikow seems cool. Feel better?
My earlier point, however, was addressing the fact that you've already sent them SPs. What are you going to do? Ask for your postage/copying fees back, because someone (that you don't know) said they're bogus?
I would have brought up your initial question before I even made the first contact. It's a little late, now. Isn't it?
If you don't get any further 411 on these guys, just treat them all the same. Follow up in an appropriate amount of time, with the same degree of professionalism.
Most intelligent individuals recognize that when dealing with an infant, they shouldn't use big words.
Have a nice day. ;)
Is somebody taking things WAAAAY too seriously?
Could we, please, break down and analyze every aspect of the foregoing "fray"?
Well, let's just get on down to the nitty gritty. (God, how I entertain myself!)
The way I see it, I seriously doubt that with the time and effort that Frederick puts into this site (oh, yeah, and he's a writer, too, donchaknow) and the "profit" he makes out of it, I'll reckon he isn't wining and dining his family in a five star restaurant every weekend. Pretty darned generous of him, I'd say.
It's one thing to bring up your disappointment, directly to the administrator, but it's another thing entirely to publicly express your bitterness to others, without first giving the party in question the opportunity to respond.
It's called courtesy.
So, I called D.S. an ingrate. I call 'em as I see 'em, and obviously he didn't feel too good about it. Too bad. Frederick's a good guy, and he doesn't deserve to be treated with disrespect, especially by some typical, pompous, AZer blowhard.
Period. End of story.
"Flamed" you say, Dan?
Honey, you haven't even been started with. It's a shame that you entirely missed the point.
Oh, Steven, I saw that you made finalist in Big Australian. Wow! You are so rockin'! You didn't have me read Shooters. Can I, pretty please?
Ooops. Sorry, D.S., you actually didn't claim to have been flamed. I see now that you claimed to have attempted to flame me.
Eww. Have you been waiting all these hours for my return? What are you? Obsessed?
Thanks, Steven. I just emailed your hotmail account.
BTW, that's Roses Through the Mist. Since I'm richer this year, than I was last year, I'm really going to get into a contest circuit/querying binge.
Nature's Calling is my most recent baby. I spent a tenth of the time on it than the former. Watch it do better.
Oh, it's that couch dude. Weren't you the one that was supposed to send me a clipping of your hair?
Now we know you've been trolling. How quaint. You must really love us.
I'm flattered. Thank you.
Yup. Danial W. (Bill) Couch. It is> you!!
Why the change in name? Did you forget your password?
I used to wonder why (some of) the boys would pick on me in high school.
I later found out that the guilty ones used to jerk off to my picture.
Even later in life, I discovered that older boys still do this.
Don't be jealous of Steve, Dan/Bill. He's married. Our respect for each other is purely platonic.
Oh, joy. A pic just for me.
What does "hitting the bag" mean? (I'm not kidding or being sarcastic.) Does it have to do with a punching bag in a guy's gym? I don't get it. Why should I go see Miss Congeniality, anyway? Is this some sort of "message movie"? What's the main character's problem? How does she fix it? Why do you think I have a problem? Are you insinuating that you feel you know me sufficiently as to make an assumption? What's your point in attempting to bullbait me, anyway? Are you bored at work? Are you bored with this topic? Am I bored with this post? Are you still reading?
Oy. Ask a simple question, and get no answer. How typical. Dan/Bill, you are making no sense.
"hitting the bag"
Thank you, Frederick. I think it's fantastic.
Do I know you?
Oh, excuse me.
Did someone say something about useless exchanges?
I don't feel useless. Do you feel useless, Steve?
Say it ain't so, Steve!
Hey, Ran. How long were you a security guard? Ever have to deal with any kooks?
Oh, my god! That's so looney!! LOL
I can't believe people actually pull that stuff.
I remember when I went for a gofer interview (years ago) on the lot at Universal, and the security guys didn't even bother asking my name, or anything. Folks were just waltzing in and out like they were at the mall. I kind of figured the security guys were just for show and they didn't have those sorts of problems.
What's really unusual is the practice that casting companies have with handling extras. They'll let just about anyone in on the "fun." I remember this one flick where one of the extras was a wanted bank robber. The cops had the production team take five, and handcuffed the criminal right in front of everybody.
Whatever, ya know? It's a crazy world.
"I'm just wondering what to expect and what my chances are of getting an agent and selling my script."
Have you considered enlisting the services of a fortune teller?
You should have tried calling me a slut. It would have had the same impact.
Still, no bull's-eye...
I hold the upmost of respect for an individual that recognizes their error, apologizes, and moves on.
As for the fortune teller, Bryan, I understand the going rate is about $20.00. You might want to try the Magic Eight Ball. I think you could pick one up at Toys R Us for about five bucks. I've found myself asking such questions for hours, and you can never rely upon it, but at least you can keep asking the same question over and over until you get the answer that you want.
I completely disagree with all of you.
Although I didn't Love the movie, I saw it more as a metaphor of something deeper. There's brilliance in the subtext. For that, I am grateful and it definitely had an impact on me.
Hey, Steve. Have you ever heard that song by Queen?
"Hey, hey, hey! Clear the way! I am the master of your destiny... I am the one, the only one. I am the god of kingdom come. Gimme the PRIZE! Just gimme the PRIZE!...
There can be only one."
That's all I really have to say about that.
(Well, okay, I haven't entered a contest that had any weird fees, so I'm not too concerned about the subject.)
Come to think of it, isn't this the first movie that ever showed the lead character taking a dump?
They may have just broke some ground here.
I got an email from a company that told me to hold onto a script till after the strike ends.
Whatever their intent was, don't ask me.
Sorry to hear about that, Steve.
It's a real war, trying to connect with the right people. Especially for the distant writers.
Unfortunately, I've been gaining a greater insight into the corporate side of the film industry. It's disheartening. It's sick. And it's truly sad.
I can see, though, why there's so much garbage released. Misery loves company.
Does anybody have to get naked? Or exhange spit?
I bet you're wishing you lived near the DC area, like I do.
Wait. I meant like I live near the DC area, not that I wish you lived near the DC area.
The English Patient; Forget Paris...
They both were films "in the present" that addressed what happened in the past. The majority of both films were set as flashbacks, and they both worked.
There's nothing wrong with flashbacks, so don't get all in a tizzy over them. Look at The Waterboy. I loved those tidbits of the past.
Destination Films has gone down the tubes. (see Variety) Man, millions of dollars are gone, spent on production costs... just like that.
It's pretty sobering to realize the enormous responsibility all the players (starting with the writer) are gambling with.
We sit at home (speaking for myself and with the assumption that you do, too) pounding away with visions of seeing our babies picked up by one of those companies like Destination. "Yeah! Yeah! I've got the goods, baby!!"
But, that's a lot of money to be toying with. Those are people's lives that have just taken a nose dive (you know, all those out-of-work administrative people).
This is really a serious business.
I'll be keeping this in mind, when I shake a filmmaker's hand, or when I pick up the phone to make that call.
"Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore."
Producers have balls! Er, guts. My hat's off to them.
What's the cost? Less than 10 bucks a year? As an additional method of getting your story out there, it can't hurt.
I believe one person that has posted there has had an option.
The strength of your response will only be as strong as the strength of your title/logline, though. Out of the four stories I've posted (for free, though, since I jumped on the bandwagon from the beginning), only one has had two glimpses at the synopsis. And that was the "true story" one.
StoryXchange went live in September (if I recall correctly), so there's going to be some time before things really start to pick up over there.
Rome wasn't built in a day, ya know.
LOL - Paula!
I think it's synopsum. ;D
Naw, I looked it up in the dictionary, and it's really just synopses. [-seez]
Wait, why include the lyrics at all? From what I've learned, all you need do (if the song is germane to the scene) is put "Title of the song" by Artist, in the scene description.
I think I gotcha. You're going to have some action going on at specific points in the song?
You may try looking at this site: www.script-o-rama.com to see if it's listed.
As for his literary silence, I dunno, maybe it's got something to do with his (weird) personal life. Creeeepy man.
If all you're interested in is W.A.'s brilliant writing, then isn't his lack of producing another literary work none of your business?
Hey, you asked.
Live, from the red carpet (of my living room), let’s recap those little moments that the others miss.
The third fellow, sitting to Russell Crowe’s (Best Actor) left, evidently had a wedgy. Did you catch him fixing his shorts?
Danny Devito, who was sitting behind Julia Roberts (Best Actress), had a strand of celery poking out of his teeth, as he cheered the leading lady on.
Presenter Tom Cruise was digging for wax out of his left ear. Looks like he forgot to wear a tie, too.
The fellow, who was sitting two rows behind the producers of Gladiator (Best Picture), yawned uncontrollably throughout the show, and didn’t even cover his mouth.
Sure do, Steve. It's an old piece of red carpet from the 32nd Oscar's Ceremony. It may be only 12"x24", but it's all mine. I like to put my feet on it, whenever I watch the show.
The vendor, who sold it to me, showed me the spit stain that Charlton Heston planted on it. Neat, huh?
Todd, there's a good reason why producers produce movies, and writers write screenplays. ;)
Randy, just what the heck are you doing looking at the top of Lopie's dress?!?
Let's get something straight, here. Women don't stare. While in the presence of the subject, we take a mental image picture, with a flicker of the eye sweep, then we admire the fellow at our leisure.
In the case of a televised event, we are enabled to record the subject's likeness, which enables us to play back the performance in question and select the pause button. If we are more of the obsessive type, we select the frame by frame advance button, so as to capture every nuance of the subject's expressions.
As for Mr. Russell Crowe, however, I do not hold his physical appearance to warrant such an admiration, moreover it is his class, eloquence, talent and apparent intellect, which commands my respect. Please note that Mr. Crowe did not attend the Oscar's wearing a G-string, nor did he bare his chest for others to gawk at. Mr. Crowe certainly did not feel it necessary to gain attention to himself by prostituting his physical attributes, for Mr. Crowe is well deserving of the merits that have been bestowed upon him by the Academy.
Damn it! I can't pull the wool over your eyes, can I?
Pfft. spleatski.. argghhh!
Somebody hold me back, pLeeeeease! Please, somebody stop meeeeee!
Sale, Mark? I thought he meant sail.
Poor, Ryan. You got moxie for sticking your neck out, in this forum.
Aspirin, Steve?!? And now you want five bucks? My day job already has prescribed that. Well, at least they treat me like I'm valuable and wanted, and kiss my bum to keep me content. (sniff-sniff) Hollywood is so mean!
One of my scripts will go to the highest bidder... $10,000,000.00...
...I'll earn 5% gross as a bonus and will have complete creative control...
I dunno, Steve. This aaaahhhhhmmmmmming is kinda therapeutic.
It's spelled nauseous...
You've just warmed my heart.
Thank you, Chris.
You have his address?
(muffled) Thank you.
Can I get a rain check for the chili? Wait a sec, you know most of us don't live near CA. I think you're just trying to tease us.
BTW, last time I looked "Aahhm" "Ohhmm" and "Auummm" were not listed in the dictionary. To each their own. Whatever floats your boat. You do it your way; I'll do it my way...
Buy a banner!
I'll let you wonder.
Oh, come on. What producer is going to seriously consider some shmuck, who doesn't even possess enough confidence in the material he represents to gamble with postage/phone calls?
Ashley runs alongside of Greg, as he goes for yet another coffee run.
Excuse me, Mr. Beal? Mr. Beal?
Greg glances at the microphone.
His pace is beyond her limits. She struggles to keep up.
Is it true that you avoid beans for breakfast?
Now, why would I do that?
Well, rumor has it that by mid-morning the readers can’t stand meeting with you when you do.
Is that so? Well, I--
It seems like such a daunting prospect. Overseeing thousands of entrants for the Nicholl. Tell me, what’s it like whenever your readers come across a gem? Do they share their enthusiasm with anyone who’ll listen, or do they tend to keep it mum? Just what is it like in the office, as the reviews come in? Do you frown on readers leaving coffee stains on the pages? Do they know that they shouldn’t eat when they’re reading? They could choke, you know.
Next installment? Sorry, but those were all the questions my alter ego had for you.
Someday I'd like to ask Bill Clinton if he ever gets constipated, and Tom Cruise if he put something in his shorts for that one scene in that one movie... Um, there are more, burning questions I'd like answered by the elite, but then I'd ruin the surprise. ;)
Yeah, it's over. I find it odd that WGAe doesn't have the details up.
What's more dangerous is hinging your life on an announcement date of competition results.
Hey, all. Check this out. A big movie shoot is coming to my neck of the woods. I can feel the electricity buzzing in the air already. Anybody in the DC area, who wants the skinny on the open call, just drop me a line.
LITTLE MUNCHKIN LAUGHTER rises up from behind the bushes.
Ew, thank you for bringing this to our attention. Sounds pretty scummy.
I don't get it. What does he want? Money? Feedback? If it's money, I'd just no longer respond to him. If it's just feedback, I'd suggest he focus more on learning the English language.
That may sound cold, but a) there's too many wackos on the Web to be wimpy; b) if this guy has any interest in dealing with the American market, he needs to be able to compete with the natives.
I had this one fellow that could barely put a sentence together. I told him to go back to school. Otherwise, he'd be utterly devoured by the stampede.
Either way you look at it, Ran, you're not a social worker. Whatever his situation is, it's unfortunate, but you shouldn't feel guilty if there's nothing you can do for him.
You never know Randy. We just might meet someday and we'll have that magical chemistry.
Alas, until then, we are simply prose originated by individuals from opposing sides of this continent, and electronically viewable images (at least I am).
For the angelic souls, such as Todd K., there are majestic melodies...
Let the music play.
I don't think much of beer.
So, is their beef with Microsoft or HCD?
What am I saying? What about our friggin' account information, for God's sakes?
Well, I paid for the service via credit card... Of course, I'm poor and if they've located the membership database, they're not going to get much outta me. But, I'd imagine there are hundreds of members whose accounts are mighty desirable takes.
FBI!! CIA!! Call in the cavalry!
Okay, I’ll bite. After I received my notification letter, I felt it would be rather pointless to voice my opinion, because Peter Scott just might come on here and say I was licking my wounds. So it says I placed in the top 45% of all entries. Okay, fine.
The strengths listed were: hook; set up; character uniqueness; supporting characters; and, most importantly, HUMOR.
Seeing how this was a comedic farce (clearly dubbed such on the entry form), I feel I’ve done my job.
What got my feathers ruffled, though, were the following “weaknesses”:
Uniqueness: Sorry, but there are no other movies, short stories, TV sitcoms, or otherwise, like mine.
Suspense: Seeing how my intent was not to create any sort of edge-of-your-seat suspense, and provide the audience with light-hearted fare, why should this be considered a weakness?
Conflict: See suspense.
Action: See suspense.
Character growth: The main character does a complete, 180-degree turn in his life by the end. HUH?
Predictable: There are moments, granted, but this isn’t Hitchcock. And I’m sure that a typical, male writer would have created some other sort of resolution (that would have been much too predictable), which I assigned to my leading lady.
I know, for a fact, that people do seek such forms of entertainment. There is something wrong for a SP, which has the pure intent of having them rolling in the aisles, to be penalized for not meeting someone else’s formulaic criteria. I hope my reader (s) didn’t choke as he/she was laughing unexpectedly. It makes me wonder just how the judging form was formulated.
Hopefully, not all contests are equal across the board.
One thing I'd like to know. Is there anywhere on the judging form that asks, "How did you feel after reading the screenplay?" As writers, one of our primary goals is to create an emotional effect on the viewer/reader. Where's the emotional aspect?
Over and out.
It's already been done. A few years back, a writer in Maryland (couldn't sell his house) offered up a rather lovely log home, as the prize for an essay competition. In less than 100 words, you were to write about why you wanted the house (or something like that).
Similar to your proposition, the entry fee was $100.00 and there had to be a minimum of entries for the contest to be carried through. His idea was he'd get his asking price (roughly 200k) and unload his property faster than the market could absorb it, without taking a loss.
There were insufficient entries and I got my money back, less $10.00 for administrative fees.
So, who buys underwear more frequently, men or women?
"It's alive! Alive!
What's with all this depressing whining? Just what have we all turned into? A bunch of hopeless crybabies? C'mon! Knock it off right now.
Sure, we need to bitch and moan sometimes, but I've noticed a trend of pity parties going on here. "Boo-hoo-hoo. No one likes my work. A sale takes forever and I'll probably get rejected anyway."
As for our publicly proclaimed alcoholic: Melvin, I'm granting you the Sad Sack of the Year Award. Hopefully, you'll find some remorse in that as well, since you seem to enjoy brooding.
It concerns me when an individual focuses their entire existence on only one goal. Sometimes, things don't go as we had hoped. Perhaps broadening one's horizons is in order. Find more than one thing in your life to be proud of.
Now, go take a walk in the park. And don't forget to wear clean underwear.
Why are you still sitting there?
I'm not kidding!
We shall see my little chickadees.
BTW, I've been holding back, but I've just got to share (since this is sharing time, I guess). I recently had an audition for a speaking part, which will get me my blasted SAG qual!
The CD had a relieved sense of "Finally" in her eye. I'm quite eager to get the word... It's one of those fabulously epic films that those involved will be quite proud to be a part of.
I'll give you a hint. I read for the part of John Booth's girlfriend.
Hee-hee-hee! OMG, I can't stand it! Anyhow, I should know in a couple of weeks. The CD gave me her itinerary. Good sign, huh?
Oh, yeah. Sweat shorts and a grubby t-shirt.
Thanks for the credit, Steven. To clarify for all, however, the credit lies with some (published) romance author, who would probably further credit someone else. ;)
(Who takes offense by rude individuals that expect me to have a career as a reader.)
INT. KITCHEN - DAY (FLASHBACK)
ROBERT (15) chases ELLIE (13) around the table.
EXT. FOREST CLEARING - NIGHT (PRESENT)
Robert smiles as he lights a cigar.
Whether you outright slug it a (FLASHBACK), or you date it (1950) vs. (2001), a flashback is a flashback.
Yes, you'd dub them such from scene to scene as you go back and forth, if you want to take that route.
If someone's going to toss a script, just 'cause you were overtly dubbing a scene a (FLASHBACK), rather than trying to disguise it... whatever. They look the same on the screen, so they should look the same in the reader's mind.
Wait, that's right. I forgot that some readers aren't capable of "vision."
Whew-hoooooooooooooo!!!! Oh, my God! Oh, my God!!! I can't believe this....... I checked my mail.....
I'm totally freaking!!
My phone bill wasn't anywhere near what I thought it was going to be.
Thanks, Lisa. Did you feel your blood pressure go up a few notches at first? Mine always does when someone comes on here and makes mention of their standing, and I hadn't picked up my mail yet.
As for me, I won't open the letter till I'm surrounded by loved ones, so I can brutally cry with comfort close by, or share the joy and celebrate with dinner (with 'em picking up the tab, of course).
Since we're on the subject of the older man paired with the younger woman, I've noticed that this phenomenon has slithered its way into commercials. I find this extremely irritating. And the message it conveys is pure chauvinism.
The standard has been this aging, out of shape, 40-50 something, balding white collar type, whose wife/lady is a trim, attractive, youthful and stylish vixen compared to her frumpy hubby.
Uh. Don't think so.
Wait! There's more!
What about this new movie with Gwyneth Paltrow? Has anybody seen the trailers? It's just god-awful. The entire premise comes across as a vicious attack against large women.
There's one scene where the Gwyneth character does a belly flop into the pool, and a child gets washed up into a tree.
I've got a skinny physique and even I'm offended. I'm boycotting that flick, for sure.
Don't get me started. Just don't get me started.
Good news and bad news for you, Randy. Sandra B. is 36 and will be at the Hollywood Film Festival as a presenter for some award. The bad news is not something I feel appropriate for me to touch.
Anyway, I agree with Miriam.
Lastly, Melvin, I don't know a single couple where the man's financial status was the attraction. "Money can't buy me love" rings truer than ever. More and more women have woken up to the fact that they must be self-sufficient, and, consequently, have raised their standards when it comes to mating.
Sure, there are still such nasty things as gold-diggers, but they come in both forms of sexual genders. I've met more men that fall into that category, than I have women.
Just try to keep reminding yourself that Hollywood is not the center of the Universe.
Dear Melvin and Steven L.,
I would like it noted that the both of you mentioned "bars" in your examples. (lol) Well, what did you expect? Look where you were.
If you hang out near the port-a-potty, you're going to get flies.
One thing I've noticed about people, we tend to group, and stereotype, by those that we encounter. If you've primarily hung out in those circles (the r&f?), then you're going to witness what usually happens. And, of course, groupies and gold-diggers will certainly try to rub elbows where such persons frequent.
If you want to make a salad, you go to the produce section of your local supermarket. If you want to hook up with a lonely politician you go to a bar in D.C./lonely actor you go to a bar in Hollywood.
I hate bars. I like going to the park to relax, where I happen to see regular families. It's a pretty view.
As for my comment about women becoming more self-sufficient. Only since the sixties have women moved away from the "get married, have kids and let the husband be the bread winner, without the lady ever achieving her own independence and realizing a successful career" norm. (What are you guys, 19?) Even when I was in high school, most of the girls had their eyes on getting married and being taken care of by a man.
Nowadays, the girls in high school are more intent on going off to college and pursuing a career.
The college grad and career woman of today have higher standards, because we saw what our mothers went through when their marriages failed.
Higher standards, simply put, is not marrying the first man that comes along, but waiting till she's met the most compatible fellow that she trusts will be there for the long haul. Because now, she doesn't have to compromise her self-respect. She's got the means to go off on her own, without worrying about food to put in her children's mouths, or a roof over her/their head(s).
Do you need an example?
Mrs. Brown (27) has no degree or viable skills. She's only known the world of being a homemaker. Mr. Brown is a real jerk and treats her like crap. He's a car salesman, by the way, who likes to drink with his buddies and will accept the advances of the bimbos that hang out there, too. Mrs. Brown puts up with it, because she doesn't have the financial means to be out on her own, and Mr. Brown certainly couldn't afford any sort of separation (i.e.: alimony/child support).
These days, Ms. Brown has her own portfolio, and a power resume. The moment Mr. Brown scorns her, one of them is out the door. Ms. Brown is empowered.
Of course, many men don't like that... which is probably why women still get paid less than men do in the same positions, and are promoted less frequently than their male peers.
Understand me now?
And, as for you, Melvin, you may think I'm nuts, but at least I'm not an alcoholic. I'm much too strong for that weakness.
Thank you, Ms. Miriam.
Melvin, are you looking at life through a tunnel? Is it only the controversial, high-power relationships that you see? The cliché that you reference is very much in the minority. Right now, I can think of a good number of marriages where the wealthy man’s wife is homely, middle-aged, yet treated as the equal by her devoted, homely, middle-aged husband.
Steven L., and you don’t think men have the same motives? I don’t know how many times I became 50X cooler, after some guy found out that I had been AN EXTRA in a film/aspiring actress/writer. I recall one instance where, after my gal-pal introduced me as an actress, this fellow actually whooped and jumped up and down like he just struck gold, or something.
Man or woman, with the pressures of today’s society to be well off and financially secure, there are those whose ethics are not above positioning themselves with “the beautiful people” solely to further their own, personal gain.
Heck, I’ve even had gal-pals with the same motives. And just how many celebrities suddenly find themselves being welcomed back into the family fold, by distant relatives that had written them off years ago?
I must contend, however, that such leeches are in the minority. I think most people have their hearts in the right place.
R. Sparks, hey neat observation. I didn't know that, but you're right. The diamonds are always in a velvet pouch!
The following is an exerpt from FAQs at the website:
To be more specific, let's use 1997 as an example. There were 4,006 scripts entered in the competition. All of those scripts were read once. Nearly 1,400 of the scripts, based on a positive first read, were read a second time. If a script received one strong score and one mediocre (or worse) score, it was read a third time. About 450 scripts received three reads. The best two scores were tallied for the 1,400 scripts. The 226 scripts with the highest scores advanced to the quarterfinal round. At that stage they were read by Academy members.
Actually, Melvin, I'm not angry at anyone involved in the judging. I'm just disappointed with all the jerks, who have ever treated me like a piece of crap and turned my mind into the sort of mush that has caused me to be less than the gifted writer that I had the potential of being.
Guess some "Mr. Wonderful" won't ever have his feet washed by me again.
But, that's another story.
Melvin's right, in a way.
I've been sharpening my machete.
[Ashley looks sideways at Steve K. and cocks a brow.]
Sorry I missed this entry.
Um, Melvin, just what were these contests that you did so well in?
I bet your real name isn't Melvin. Now, is it? C'mon, fess up. You sound much too contrived to be real.
I understand that webtv.net provides six email accounts. That means six different aliases...
(sigh) Poseurs are such a bore.
You, my dear, have too much time on your hands. Go get a job.
But, I'd also bet they're a LOT more qualified than most of the folks judging my local contest, or yours.
No, Susan! Don't! Melvin's a liar. There's no such contest. He was bullsh*tin'.
Since, often times, the winners that receive the Oscar promote themselves around town to get the award, I don't think it's appropriate to compare the Oscar to the Nicholl. It's apples to oranges.
As for the readers' competence level, of any competition, I suspect that you'll find any number of the following could be applicable:
a) The person just doesn't plain know how to really read. - Are they taking the time to look up the words, or special Spec Script lingo? If not, the reader WILL NOT comprehend the material and will be immediately critical. (Simpler, in this case, gets the higher score.) * See end note.
b) The person just doesn't really care, and intends to run through as many scripts as they can for the paycheck. - Skimming, no matter the quality of the writing, doesn't permit visualization.
c) The person is a bitter, failing writer. - Jealousy runs rampant, and humans are notoriously known for being at effect of their uncontrollable emotions.
d) The person is somehow connected to someone that entered, and cleverly sabatoges everybody else's script.
e) The person is just an idiot.
f) The person has a hidden hatred for humanity and has made their lifelong ambition to destroy everyone in their path.
g) The person is on some serious drugs, and has a demented view of their environment.
h) The person is just too busy, and didn't have time to really read the darn things, then just filled out the score card willy-nilly.
i) The person is biased against a particular idea in the script. (i.e., Religion)
j) Who knows?
* When my mother first read my rom com script (her first read of a Spec), she had a blank, "bent" look about her. All of sudden, she looked like she was about to fall asleep. Mortified, I snatched the script up, and asked her if their was something that she didn't understand. "I can read!" she retorted. I pointed to a symbol after the end of some dialog, and asked her what it meant. NO response. I explained that it meant there was an interruption of thought. Since we didn't want to have to go into every detail of Spec Script lingo, I just read the whole thing to her. This time, she looked bright and laughed in the right parts, as she just sat back and visualized the movie (instead of reading words).
About a week ago, a fellow writer in my area - a genius, though unfamiliar with Spec Script format (he wrote a novel), went through the same thing.
Although such competitions are an ettle, to be sure, I think it appropriate that the readers should be able to tell the difference between the purpose of an ellipsis and a double dash.
(Who here fully comprehends what the preceding sentence said?)
Do people really call you that, or is this just what you're going to call yourself here (since you've changed your name a couple of times)?
Melvin's a womanizer, BTW. Don't get all jealous.
Hey, Sang. I was wondering about you the other day. I thought you had deserted us.
I'd say 'j' took care of the remaining letters in the alphabet. I notice, though, that no one has answered my question.
I'm trying to make a point. Is anyone getting it?
Actually, in terms of age and backgrounds, other than their industry connections, they resemble entrants to the competition.
C'mon. Doesn't anyone here know what "ettle" means? This is truly scary. If my first-round judge(s) don't know how to use a dictionary, like it seems some of the people here don't, then the writers that get too complicated with their word choices are just up Shit's Creek without a paddle.
I'm beginning to think that the primary reason the novel version, of one of my Nicholl entries, advanced as far as it did in another competition, because there are extensive footnotes throughout the whole blasted thing, whereas in a Spec, I was instructed that doing that would be taboo and unaccepted.
(No fair for Steven K. to pipe up. I had to provide you with an abridged glossary. Remember?)
I am very disappointed. Tsk, tsk.
I'm pleased as punch that your vocabulary is up to the challenge, but you're not at the first tier of the judging process.
I was attempting to address the matter of noncomprehension, due to the reader's lack of clarifying that which they do not fully comprehend. Without understanding, one can not appreciate the subject matter. (See my above-referenced item A.)
Based upon your own proclamation of who judges in the first round, any one of the participants of this forum could be a reader for the Nicholl. Yet, you were the only one to respond.
Studies have shown that when a person fails to understand the subject matter that they are studying, due to misunderstood words, etc., they have a tendency to be critical of the subject matter, and are more likely to abandon it. Certainly, Steve's postulate of being tossed aside is very likely to occur, in such an instance.
That was the point I was attempting to convey.
If a reader, at a production company, lacks the responsibility to seek a higher command of the English language, he/she should be fired.
If a producer lacks the responsibility to pick up a dictionary, I wouldn't be interested in working with him/her. He/she can stick with their mediocre piles of mind numbing garbage.
Do you think I should resort to writing children's cartoons? Perhaps I'll go farther, down that road...
Non il urinate sul mio piedino e dirmi che sta piovendo. *
Surprisingly enough, although that was in Italian, many folks skim over English words as if they were in a foreign language. But, what was communicated? Should dialogue be akin to “See Jane Run” stories? What a sad future for films.
Craig: You’re right. One word is not going to sink a script. It is the cumulation of misunderstood words, phrases, and symbols that result in the previously mentioned phenomena. For something, such as a period piece where the dialogue commonly uses archaic terminology, just how would you understand “the music,” if you just skimmed past what was Greek to you? You could be passing on the next Romeo and Juliet.
Just out of curiosity, while you were reading, were there ever times when you experienced the following?
 A blank feeling  A “not-there” feeling  A squashed feeling  Sort of bent  Sort of spinny (dizzy)  Sort of dead; bored; or exasperated
You said, “A bunch of words that are deliberately obscure, and a prejudice will build within me against the writer.”
That would be a classic example of someone driving through the material, without defining the words that are not understood.
Maybe the fellows over at Oxford are walking dictionaries, but most people aren’t. I’m sorry if you take offense to my expectations, but it is the reader’s job to take the necessary steps to do their job. That includes educating themselves.
* Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining. – Judge Judy
Based upon the reactions of many people in the audience, A.S. has enlightened many a naive fan. I'm surprised that folks like Pat Kingsley let their clients participate in this film.
Cat's out of the bag, now. What are they gonna do?
I'm with you on that one, Paula. Scary enough, I've actually had the opportunity to read some scripts (via Zoetrope and P.G.) that advanced in various contests.
Excuse me, while I shake those marbles out of my head.
As far as locating a reputable attorney goes, you should do a search by artists that you consider successful (in various degrees) at whorepresents.com (Who Represents). It will usually indicate the artist's attorney, and contact information.
Most attorneys expect a retainer in the $1,000.00 range, and charge by the hour (starting $100.00/hr). And that's the low-end.
Hey! fUnnY, Brian.
About them sharks, all I can say is "You get what you pay for." It would be foolish of you to be stepping in the door with an amateur, and you'll need the real E.A. later, should you progress to the table.
Aside from that, any lawyer will be able to tell you what their limitations are.
If anybody else has any comments they'd like to offer, feel free, because I haven't investigated the avenue this fellow's pursuing.
You're right. None of those fellows have to work in an administrative position in a writers' competition. What else do you think they'd be doing? Working in some Styrofoam, thankless job with the rest of the zombies in the work-a-day world?
Let's not kiss ass, when kissing ass is unwarranted.
Granted, I know very little of Mr. Beal. For an individual, who admits to having a writer's background, yet no projects yet developed (to my knowledge), I'd say he's in a pretty peachy position. I'll bet he's rather comfy in his chair. Let us also not forget that he is not the founder of the Nicholl.
I'd also go so far as saying that, along with most by-products of the film industry, most competitions primarily are to employ the unemployable film industry sorts. Or to advance one's own career by improving their contacts, which they ordinarily wouldn't have.
Now, if you'll all excuse me, I've hit upon some inspiration. BAM! as S. King would say.
Rett is such a sexy name...
Some common errors that irk me (The guilty ones know who they are.):
Whose vs. who’s -
whose adj (bef. 12c): of or relating to whom or which esp. as possessor or possessors, agent or agents, or object or objects of an action
who’s contracted form of who is
Whose car is this? Who’s coming to dinner?
Advice vs. advise -
advice n (14c): recommendation regarding a decision or course of conduct: COUNSEL
advise vb (14c): to give advice to: COUNSEL
His advice should be taken with a grain of salt. The Chaplain will not advise you, you should make your own decisions.
Lose vs. loose -
lose vb (bef. 12c): to miss from one’s possession or from a customary or supposed place
loose adj (13c): not rigidly fastened or securely attached
Don’t lose the ones you love. He’s got a screw loose.
Chose vs. choose –
chose past of CHOOSE
choose vb (bef. 12c): to select freely and after consideration
He chose to quit. Which one will you choose?
They’re vs. there vs. their
they’re: contracted form of they are
there n (1588): that place or position
their adj (13c): of or relating to them or themselves esp. as possessors, agents , or objects of an action
They’re not here. He’s over there. Their plane is late.
Its vs. it’s (and vice versa) -
its adj (1598): of or relating to it or itself esp. as possessor, agent, or object of an action
it’s: contracted form of it is and it has
Its mine. It’s time to leave.
Your vs. you’re . . . Do I really need to go there?
Separate vs. seperate –
The correct spelling is s-e-p-a-r-a-t-e
AND, don’t forget, i comes before e, except after c; usually.
Sell vs. sale -
sell vb (bef. 12c): to offer for sale
sale n (bef. 12c): the act of selling; specif: the transfer of ownership of and title to property from one person to another for a price
I have an idea to sell. The rights are up for sale.
I was just testing you.
Its color is going to be green.
How mah-velously stimulating! Anyone care for a spot of tea?
The Evolution of the English Language. Such an intriguing subject, I think.
Indeed, the gents at Oxford would be simply beaming, if they knew!
Carry on. Carry on.
[Upper crust giggle]
Ah! Speaking of Oxford. Did anyone catch the news piece about an American heading up the editorial team? It's causing quite a stir, especially with his idea to contribute such terminology as "yadda-yadda-yadda" in the next edition.
Personally, I found the fellow to be rather sexy. Grrr-owl.
Check this out. Oxford needs help defining the word "gaffer tape." Look under the appeals list.
Has anyone else had a problem doing a search by a writer's name, or is it just me?
RE: Your involvement with OUP - How interesting. I'm impressed.
I haven't checked out HLS, but thanks for the note.
I think jesu pesu/jeesey peesy (derived from Jesus + ME pees [peace]) should be added to the dictionary. Any suggestions on the procedure?
Sorry, Frederick. I tried using the search feature awhile back and didn't come up with results. I just tested it, and it worked fine.
I'm pleased to see that some folks are gaining contacts by the site. My one, little entry hasn't felt a nibble.
Nobody loves me.
I got this response from Oxford:
"Thank you for your e-mails of 19 August sending information on 'gaffer tape' and 'gay'. We have had several responses concerning 'gaffer tape', and are now looking for examples of its use published before 1977. For the sense of 'gay' you mention, we are looking for published examples earlier than 1978."
(gay meaning stupid or lame)
If anyone cares to contribute, email email@example.com for the editorial department of the Oxford English Dictionary.
I'm straight, BTW. Don't know if I ever mentioned that.
I'm available, BTW. Don't know if I ever mentioned that.
[Ashley's frozen smile melts on one side. Her eyes glance left, then right.]
Get a grip, man!
For all of you sceptical writers out there. I have been watching these posting for a few days now and just shake my head.
I have been watching these posts for a few days, now. It makes me just shake my head.
Why in God's name I am doing this I have no idea, except that Scott asked me too.
Why, in God’s name, I am doing this - I have no idea - except that Scott asked me to.
Not only do both entities possess similar, inferior writing abilities, but they both remind me of those horrible infomericial testimonials for get rich quick schemes.
Good God, these attempts to sound intelligent are more pathetic than a dog howling by its lonesome at six o'clock in the morning.
Used Car Salesman Tactics. Know them.
Additionally, what is a sold writer doing on a message board for writers pursuing the competition circuit? Poof! He magically appears…
Since I had (and have) no interest in a company that has the tasteless audacity to request help with copying/postage/bullshit fees, I wasn’t going to step into this subject. But, I’ve said it once before, and I’ll say it again. Unless someone has built themselves a track record, and a reputation, in our Writers’ Internet Community, their points aren’t even worth taking with a grain of salt. Moreover, I am truly insulted that someone would even attempt to pull the wool over a writer’s eyes.
I’ll even go so far as saying to the questionable individual that has had the nerve to post here: Stick it.
Hey, don't make me out as the evil seductress.
That word choice of yours (smell, to be precise) was a real turn off.
R. Sparks, you crack me up.
Actually, Sean is really only 15. He's afraid to be alone with me.
I dunno. Maybe I just have a crappy log line, but I got two "serious" requests. After the two companies "read" the script, I wasn't too impressed by their being on Venice Arts email list.
Granted, there appeared to be a number of noteworthy companies that were queried, but the service didn't actually do anything I couldn't have done for myself.
If you're lazy, or too busy, and you've got $50.00 to blow, it's okay.
Otherwise, you may want to check out the following URL, and go to the link for email addresses. There are a few companies listed there that I've recognized.
Oh, my God. Too funny.
I understand. Men do find me intimidating.
Are you serious? Seeing how we’re out in the open, and I actually don’t know you from Adam, I’ll give you this. Beyond that, I think it much more appropriate that you respond privately.
Let us consider, for argument’s sake, that human beings are innately spiritual in nature. This being the case, spiritual beings have a tendency to see with much more than one’s eyes. Their perception is at a higher level. Let us suppose, then, that my spiritual presence, as perceived by another, may be considered to be superior to his/her own self-image. Intimidating.
Additionally, after some careful thought regarding the subject of “friends,” I came to the realization that, in the past, I had hastily dubbed persons as being such, and formulated my own, more precise definition. Since then, I’ve found that the quality of acquaintances that I’ve encountered has greatly improved. And the “friends” that had previously lingered for far too long, have quietly disappeared. Coincidence? Perhaps not.
More simply put, one fellow described his take of me as “a stand up girl,” meaning that I stand up for myself. This, in itself, would be rather intimidating for a fellow that knows, in his heart, that his intentions would ultimately result in a situation where I would be forced to stand up for myself. After all, most men are pigs. Are they not?
Do you know someone that works at an in-bound call center environment?
Do you ever call one for service?
Are you tired of it? Frustrated?
Send a letter or a postcard to:
Directorate of Health Standards U.S. Department of Labor – OSHA Perkins Building, Room N3718 200 Constitution Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20210
Tell them you want standards enacted to avoid THE ROBOT SYNDROME, and forward this message onto everyone you know.
For more information, see below…
August 30, 2001
Directorate of Health Standards U.S. Department of Labor – OSHA Perkins Building, Room N3718 200 Constitution Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20210
RE: Petition for the Promulgation of Standards for In-bound Call Center Workplaces – “The Robot Syndrome”
Have you ever called a customer service department (i.e., AOL or a credit card company) and felt as though you were speaking to a robot? I know why, and I know how this serious phenomenon can be rectified.
After attempting to file a complaint with the Maryland OSHA office, I was informed that there are no set standards regarding this issue.
Working at a mortgage company’s loan servicing center from 1996 to 1999, I became “a robot” and realized that the-monotone-voice-that-doesn’t-seem-to-hear is not the only concern that needs to be addressed by employers. Since then, I’ve realized that the demands, placed on the employee, contribute to the employee’s vulnerability to being subjected to subliminal commands, which may cause them to do things that they ordinarily wouldn’t do (in and outside of the workplace), and also cause them to feel things that they ordinarily wouldn’t feel.
I saw this not only in myself, but also in my co-workers.
Firstly, research has already been conducted by such agencies as NASA, which has found that human beings are capable of only two types of thought processes. One type of process would be deemed “Original Thought.” Examples of this type of thought process would be two people carrying on a conversation, reading a book, typing a letter, etc. The second would be deemed “Automatic Thought.” Examples of this type of thought process would be driving the same route that you do everyday, washing the dishes, eating, etc.
Have you ever tried to read a book and listen to someone? Chances are you stopped reading, so you could listen, or you asked the person to be quiet.
Secondly, research has already been conducted regarding the emotional impact of interruptions. Interruptions, often times, result in the distracted person becoming stressed.
I have found that when the Original Thought process is habitually, and over a long duration, interrupted, the result is: a) an impaired ability to concentrate (most commonly, representatives complain of “spacing out” or not hearing what someone has said); b) an impaired ability to formulate solutions to moderately difficult problems; and, c) there is an eventual reliance on creating Automatic Reactions to various stimuli. Though not complete, the latter of these phenomena is manifested in the following:
 Rote responses to inquiries, regardless of any “special” situations.  Immediate, and unquestioned responses to unusual or security-sensitive requests.  Actions carried out that are not germane to the situation.  The margin of error is greatly increased.  Short-term and long-term memory capabilities are impaired.
It is the creation of Automatic Reactions, and the necessity for a representative to tune out incoming information, while focusing their attention on a specific task (reviewing account information on the computer, looking through a directory) that then makes them vulnerable to subliminal commands. What happens is the mind is recording the tuned out information, yet it is beneath the representative’s consciousness. Should the customer state something such as “You people can’t do anything right!” this may have a subliminal effect on the representative’s way of thinking, which would most commonly affect the person’s morale, self-image, etc. (It is no surprise that by the end of the day, most representatives feel drained/mentally dull, and the turnover of employees in this field is about 80%.)
Because of this phenomenon, I recall instances where I’ve purchased items that I truly didn’t want, but without knowing why I “wanted” them.
Lastly, the volume of calls that a representative is expected to service is mentally grueling. It is my opinion that the mind requires more “mental breaks” than the current Federal Law mandates, in regard to breaks and lunches, in this sort of environment.
I’m asking for government intervention to set standards for employers to conduct business, in this and similar fields, which will prevent this “Robot Syndrome” from happening. Looking at the big picture, I can see that if something is not done now, the long-term impact on the hundreds of thousands of human beings subjected to this sort of environment will be dismal indeed, and in some special cases, outright disastrous (I’ve heard “robots” on 911 lines before).
An additional concern is the instance where an individual possesses malicious intent towards a representative, or organization, and exploits this vulnerability to further their agenda.
I consider this to be a serious mental health issue, and it should not be taken lightly.
Since I’ve returned to (now known as) Xxxxx Xxxxx Home Mortgage, I’ve noted great strides have been made in addressing my observations. However, much more needs to be done, and certainly other companies in the United States of America should follow suit.
Proposed Rule – Individuals working in an in-bound call center environment should be granted a minimum of five minutes for a mental break, in addition to set standards regarding breaks and lunches, for every hour they’re in a receiving-call mode. Should a representative feel the necessity for additional break time, due to excessively stressful situations, their position should not be endangered, nor should they be reprimanded or penalized by his/her superior(s). In addition, while a representative is concentrating on a call, they should not be required to perform other functions that require an Original Thought process. Lastly, employers are to educate personnel, who work in such an environment, of the potential mental health impact that interruptions and multi-tasking may have on an individual, and offer solutions in order to protect the employee from becoming vulnerable to “The Robot Syndrome.”
Reasons – The current practices commonly found in such workplaces has a profoundly negative impact on the mental and emotional health of the employee, and, in some special cases, may result in life-threatening circumstances.
Intended Effect – To protect employees that work in an in-bound call center environment from the previously mentioned phenomena, so that they may lead healthier, happier lives in and outside of the workplace, and provide greater service to those that they are to service.
Your attention will be most welcome.
To clarify the address:
Directorate of Health Standards
U.S. Department of Labor - OSHA
Perkins Building, Room N3718
200 Constitution Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20210
- Thank you.
It'd be more interesting if the X's were filled in. Or have we discussed the production company?
It wouldn't be slander, Paula, unless you were making it up, and the practice of using interns was illegal or detrimental to their reputation.
Thanks for the support, folks. I've noted the title you recommended, Bill.
I have great confidence that the majority of my co-workers will stand beside me on this. They have since the beginning.
This is such a serious issue, a number of them were upset with me when I left the company in 1999. One woman even stated, "Great, now nothing's going to get done about this."
Thankfully, our manager had sufficient respect for my opinions to actually start doing something about it.
It just kills me, though, when I hear a suffering soul on the other end of the line at other companies. I know what they're going through.
If you haven't sent a postcard/letter, or cut & pasted the above entry to forward onto others, please do so now. It'll only take a few minutes of your time.
And, believe me, everyone will benefit from the proposed standards! Even celebrities have mortgages, credit cards, memberships...
Everyone is subject to calling 911 Emergency. What if the mentally exhausted agent made a mistake?
If you love yourself so much, then go play with yourself.
Premièrement, votre français n'est pas trop bon. Deuxièmement, nous avons plus de classe chez Moviebytes que pour discuter le sexe. Pour le ce, je suggère que vous participiez à Project Greenlight.
Will you still love us when you get something produced?
Will the people here still be lovable?
Will I have the time?
Che sara, sara. Whatever will be, will be. The future's not ours to see. Che sara, sara.
Oh, no, Miriam. I'm April Cornell, whereas you are a tee and a jacket.
For the foreign language impaired:
As for the correct spelling of "Che sara, sara," it's Italian and that was the spelling on page 1,386 of WEBSTER'S Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, as listed in the Foreign Words & Phrases section.
(sigh) What is your fax number?
We all know which parrot you're referring to, Melvin.
I don't know if this link still works, R.S., but you may want to check it out.
Remember me in your Will.
Goodwill, yard sales, flea markets... that's where Melvin buys all his stuff.
K-Mart sucks, Melvin.
Watching you (the advancing writers) pass me by, I feel inclined to read your scripts.
So, are any of you inclined to share what has been found worthy to excel?
(Successful) Actors become producers more often than (successful) writers, because actors get more money than writers do. They have more capital to play with. They also find investors easier than faceless writers.
Hmmm. That horror flick with the nude, sex scene is looking better every day.
Don't watch, then.
Damn firewall at work kept me quiet...
Well, SURPRISE. I made the second round, too. Damn if I'm going to let that discount pass me by.
Who's going? MMMmmmmmelvin?
There's a free shuttle that takes you downtown. About a 5-minute cab ride, for around $3.00, is also cool.
Compared to The Omni Hotel, where AFF attendees' rates start at $139.00, with no breakfast, this B&B looks like the better deal.
Sylvia's really nice, too.
Man with no tree to nurture, lives short life.
The script is not your tree, Melvin.
Some people you just can't reach.
Ladies and gentleman, come feast your eyes on another cliche, on its way to crash and burn.
Melvin, dear. I'm giving up on you.
Thusly, I bid adieu.
For the non-drinkers, I hope that the preceding message does not, in any way, suggest that one must drink alcohol, in order to be accepted or more sociable.
Frankly, I feel that if more artists were actually of clearer mind, we'd find more respectable art to admire.
I popped in here a few hours ago, to sort of hide from the shock. I'm still in shock.
The husband of a pregnant woman I work with was on one of the flights going from Dulles to L.A. The plane that went down in PA, was evidently targeted for the county I work in. Fort Detrick or Camp David, it's speculated. Just about everything shut down. My office closed by noon.
With retaliation being addressed, someone's going to get bombed. I'm truly afraid we're headed toward a war here.
Who gives a shit about a damn script, or a conference, now?
This is going to be one hell of a case of widespread Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
Hammer away folks. Hollywood is going to need light fare entertainment.
Easy on the conflict. Generous with the laughs. This is what we're needed for.
Prices appear to be going down. Purchased last Saturday, my airfare was $126.00, BWI to AUS. Today, it would be $124.00.
You're sorry you're sexually frustrated, again, aren't you. Just stop fantasizing about me, and you'll be okay.
$10,000,000.00, thanks for asking.
I bet Melvin was the sort of kid that used to throw rocks at the cute girls on the playground.
I wonder if he thinks that when those cute girls kicked him in the stomach, that it was a sign of affection?
Wow. Talk about messed up.
LOL, oh, my stomach hurts...
Although, some weird fellow did leave an odd message on my voicemail, a few days ago. I'm beginning to wonder if he was Melvin.
My, God. Were you waiting all that time for my return?
Obviously, Craig, Melvin's spent.
As for the panels, none of them really excite me. Had I seen the breakdown earlier, I probably wouldn't be going. This better be one heck of a vacation.
Thanks, Susan. We'll see.
I know what you're really trying to say.
You think I've put a spell on you. You're mesmerized. You can't get enough of me.
Eat your heart out, baby.
Gosh, Susan. Small world. James is having dinner with my group. (Brendon invited him.)
Long time no hear, Randy. I'm pleased to know that my lodgings will be quiet and serene. Aside from the juvenile delinquents, are there any other pests to watch out for, like poisonous spiders or snakes? (sHudDEr)
It was funny at first, but I agree with Randy, in that "Melvin" is taking it way too seriously.
Do your homework, M. Start with reading up on Internet Etiquette.
You may also consider to just start using your real name, and get a fresh start. As with Randy, and the majority of the fine folks here, we take responsibility for what we say in public.
"I'd make fun you, but I'm afraid you'd have a stroke.
"You're anal self is gonna have one anyway, so I might as well have my fun."
I find this to be in extremely poor taste. You know, you can be voted off this site, right?
The more I re-read those words, the more it pisses me off. How dare you make such an ugly remark! If you ever cross my path, M., you're in for one helluva slap across your face.
Message text written by INTERNET:firstname.lastname@example.org
Don't drink, don't smoke. But you were right about one thing; me needing
a job. I write full time now, so it's time to start another screenplay
and end the idle chit-chat and other wastes of a day. Also, I'm too
opinionated and confrontational for what should be a pleasant little
diversion. I don't want to ruin it for everyone else. Check out Always Shining and Cherry Moon Noir on winningscripts.com... Now that guy can write! See you at the Oscars, kid. I'll save you a seat.
Giving away tickets for the Hollywood Film Fest, too?
How’d you get them?
“First Place: "Always Shining" by Michael Qualiano of New Jersey.”
Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out, Michael.
Don't forget to bring umbrellas. We're supposed to have scattered thunder storms on Thursday and Friday. All other days should be dismal and cloudy.
Look forward to meeting fellow Moviebyters, though!
I'm ba-ack. I'm too damn tired to brief you unattendees.
I'll get back to you.
B.J. Burrow – liar, irresponsible, fake.
Heads’ up on the awards “luncheon” for those that go next year, B.Y.O.L. (Bring Your Own Lunch). Nothing’s worse than getting your mouth all ready for that “really great food,” or so B.J. claimed (to talk me into purchasing the $30.00 seat), and getting what wouldn’t even pass for a first course. Starchy pasta in a lifeless sauce. Yum. I had to leave early to pacify by burning desire for nutrition.
After confronting B.J. about my feeling led astray, he shrugged with a hollow “I’m sorry,” as if he didn’t know what was going to be on the menu. Then he tries to dump me with the responsibility of tracking down some guy to bitch to. Right. I invested how much to attend the conference, and he expected me to skip a panel to do someone else’s job? I don’t think so. I saved it for today. ;)
The panels – the panelists need to join Toastmasters.
The majority of the speakers bored me to tears. Visual aides would have been enthusiastically welcomed. For the most part, I’d say that most of the attending writers didn’t have much to learn from what was shared. Second Rounders and above already know how to write, don’t they?
Shane Black – what’s the big deal?
Considering he’s on the Board of Advisors, he surely sets the tone for what the festival is truly all about. A little hint would be the surprise tucked away in the “Practice Safehouse” keychain that was included in our bag of goodies. Think durex with nonoxynol-9 in red. It’s not surprising that as I passed Mr. Black on my way to the Driskill on Sunday morning that he looked like death warmed over.
And as for many of the volunteers? Dare to ask them a question, and you’ll get a deer caught in the headlights look. Hey, if you’re going to participate, try to know what’s going on. Otherwise, people will get the impression that you’re just in this for the free T-shirt, and the social opportunity that most kids in high school take advantage of out in the hallways.
Will I be going next year? Doubtful.
It wasn’t all bad, don’t get me wrong. I did get some benefit from a round table discussion with an agent, but we’ll see in the next month or so if those leads actually lead me somewhere. And I did enjoy the company of my fellow scribes, but maybe we should plan on meeting somewhere more exciting next time, like Disneyworld or something.
As far as conferences go, I’ve been to better.
Hey, you were at that 2nd rounder panel, too? I was the woman in the white dress that stood up for the "Forget Paris" question.
I agree with you in that Jessica B. was one of the more animated speakers.
I hope you weren't that guy that kept belching.
Poor guy. Perhaps he should look into therapy.
I'm sorry I missed the pitch panel. I attended another panel, thinking that the pitch subject would have been redundant for me. I later learned that it was much more than someone preaching. Oh, well.
Saturday night... I think I called it an early night and left the Driskill around midnight, but I enjoyed my pineapple juice thoroughly. Sorry I missed your performance.
Hello, gentle Paula!
Have you checked out that keychain, yet? I'm shocked, truly shocked that it was included in our conference materials. What do they think we are? Kids?
By the way, my keys were finally turned into "lost and found" at BWI. What a relief! It was going to cost me $200.00 to just get a copy of my car key. AND the B&B hostess only charged me 50% to make up for all my troubles (she originally offered no charge, but that didn't sit right with me). So, it was a happy ending to a miserable start. THEN her friend gave me a lift to the airport on Monday. All's well that ends well.
It was great meeting you. You are a sweetheart!
Oh, Susan, I’m terribly, terribly sorry that you can’t read. Not only did you manage to miss my points entirely, but you also managed to clumsily insult those that I had the honor, and great pleasure, to come to know. I gather that you’ve managed to find your way into a stay-at-home position, where the challenges of the day do not force you to make moderately difficult decisions, which require problem-solving skills.
As for B.J., I made only the simple request of him to think outside of the box. Perhaps the “Robot Syndrome” extends beyond that of those who work in an in-bound call center environment?
I felt that I was initially lied to. I was not impressed with the manner in which he chose to handle the situation.
Perhaps, of more concern, would be your meticulous monitoring of others’ activities, placing them at the exact minute of their departure from a specific location. Huh, have you ever considered pursuing a career in private investigation, or were you simply fixated on the subject?
Childish? That's the best you can do?
Listen, dearie, if you can't handle a few daggers, then don't throw pins. I'm beginning to really see your lack of class and good taste.
"Yee-haw. I got so drunk and wasted in that there bar!! I had a ass kickin' time! Whoo-hoo!"
Oh, yes. I am truly sorry I missed your performance.
How... professional. You've got something to be really proud of there. Way to go.
Kind of reminds me of those bimbos that complained of being sexually harassed by a producer.
Ooops. That wasn't you, was it?
Shit. I confused my characters there, didn't I?
(sigh) I'm going back to bed...
Do you always crap on people, then use their shirts to wipe your ass? With not even so much as a "Thank you."
I remember when I was in kindergarten, my girl friend was mildly retarded. I don't remember why, but we were having a tiff on the playground, and some older girls were egging us on to fight each other.
We ended up pulling hair, slapping each other, crying - little kid stuff.
Funny, how that memory just hit me.
For the confused... if it's really important to you, I'll explain the subtext. For now, I've more important things to attend to.
Thanks for the vote Steven J. Welcome to MovieBytes.
"Meretricious" - good thing I've got a dictionary.
Yes, I'm glad you asked. I'm intrigued by its evolution. The English interpretation of its origin would be "prostitute," which was derived from "to earn," and seeing more at MERIT, we go back further to discover it stems from "to deserve, earn; akin to part, from Latin memor mindful" - and there is even more at MEMORY, where we eventually find "he remembers."
Who would have thunk it?
Meretricious stems from he remembers! . . . Ohhhh, now I get it.
How long will it be live? I'm pressed for time, right now.
Got it. Review deadline is 11/16.
Thing's are pretty cool, thanks. One of my knuckles still hasn't completely healed, though. It's still kind of swollen and I can't type as fast as I used to. At least those scars shouldn't be too noticeable.
(sigh) But, my darn corns are starting to act up, again, and those darn hotflashes have been getting to me lately, and I've been having a terrible time with the winds. ;)
Don't you just hate it when people complain about their body problems?
Speaking of Project Greenlight. Anyone notice that they didn't come back this year?
Well, "Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!"
I came across this survey and thought I'd share.
Women's Poll: Muscles? Charm? What makes a man hot?
The whole package! 62%
Sense of humor 11%
Cute face 3%
Great bod 3%
In defense of some writers, I think loglines are the most difficult aspect about writing. I'll bet that seven times out of ten, the logline doesn't do the script justice.
The magic may not be found in the fundamental story, but in the dialogue and overall "color" that the writer paints with.
I'd share some of my examples, but I don't want to appear full of myself. lol
I've been working like hell, damn it! Gimme a break. I've got to sleep, too, ya know.
But, thanks for thinking of me.
"Like hell I've been working."
It figures the guys would immediately analyze their own worth. It also figures those guys would interpret the whole package as being what he's packing.
If you'll kindly notice, "thoughtfulness" placed second. One must then construe "the whole package" as being the following:
Thoughtfulness; Intelligence; Sense of humor; Sanity; Morals; Physique; Compatibility... Each woman has her own list. Of course, the woman who is truly in touch with herself, is more capable of recognizing what sort of mate would be most compatible with her own traits.
(i.e., A petite lady may enjoy the company of a 6' 4" football player type, but his 250+ lb physique is likely to suffocate her in a delicate moment.)
Analyze yourself all you want. Just keep reality in perspective, when you want to match up your leading man with a romantic interest.
i.e. = id est; that is to say
e.g. = exempli gratia; for example, for instance
Thanks to Terry Frazier for pointing that one out.
I'm cute, too!
Cool. Feel free to contribute.
You're on that money thing, again? I'm getting the impression that you've got money troubles, and you're assigning your girl troubles on the former.
Oh, Sean, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to lead them on! I swear! When I meant "cute," I meant it like a puppy is cute, not like "I'm available" cute! Please don't get upset, Sean.
Maybe we should just share with everyone how serious we've become, so the guys know that I'm your girl.
Please! Do you forgive me?
Makes you want to puke, doesn't it?
Shit. I got my characters confused. Sorry, Craig.
Sexism? I don't see that.
Actually, I'm glad you brought this subject up, Ron.
I also received a call from a rep at Storybay, after a manager forwarded my query to them.
I've been earnestly thinking things over. Someone mentioned about their approx. cost for mass querying, subitting copies of scripts, etc., and it was actually more than what some script matchmaking services initially charge. They all get a cut, though, if their service results in a sale.
Storybay gets 7.5% of the initial option or sale. That's it. So, if you option it to one of their contacts, all they'll get is 7.5% of the option price. Whatever you get from the sale, after that, they get nothing. (Per phone conversation w/rep.)
SciptPimp gets 7.5% of everything, be it option, sale, sequel, toys...
Initially, Storybay costs you about $300.00. ScriptPimp costs you about $175.00. They both absorb the costs of submitting your SP, if it gets a Consider or Recommend.
For shits and grins (since I had $175.00 to blow), I enlisted the services of ScriptPimp awhile back, before I really checked out Storybay. To sum up the review: suffice it to say that the reader didn't read my script in its entirety. Most of his criticsms and suggestions were essentially, "How come you don't have blah?" Well, right on page 9 blah was introduced, and was ever-present, right up till the end.
I expressed my concerns, and was promised an investigation. Still haven't heard back, yet.
The rep at Storybay indicated that they police their readers' activities.
It's still premature for me to share my full experience with ScriptPimp, but as soon as this chapter comes to an end, I'll be sure to share all.
As for the zzzzzz, yes thing's will be quiet. Budgets have been exhausted for the year, and most are focusing on the holidays.
You're welcome. I gather that you don't like re-writing?
You could always do what I've learned, which is so much more fun than chores. Become hooked on DVD technology. The documentaries are quite educational. The Matrix, for instance, has a wonderful demonstration of the soundtrack's impact to the film. You could also obsessively count the seconds for each angle, the minutes for each scene, etc.
For example, the elevator scene was about one-page of dialogue. The shoot 'em up scene in the lobby was about four-minutes, but probably could take up only 1/2 a page to describe.
More than that, though, the sound is awesome on DVD! Rock on!
if you don't participate:
On the first day of Christmas my true love gave to me, a hang-ov-er with the dry heaves.
That's the spirit, Terry, but I think you can do better. French / hens... la/tex / gloves... it's a real challenge, isn't it?
So, Craig, what are you trying to say, dear?
Wait, or was it two turtle doves and three french hens?
THat would mean Terry is spot on and Craig is a very bad player.
On the third day of Christmas my true love gave to me, three fine lines, two latex gloves, and a hang-ov-er with the dry heaves.
On the eighth day of Christmas my true love gave to me: eight itchy crab bugs, seven strippers dancing, six agent meetings, f-i-v-e boil_er_m'kers__, four L.A. Tickets, three fine lines, two Latex gloves, and a hang ov-er with the dry heaves.
What's a boilermaker?
Shut up, Craig.
If you want to keep her as a friend, or at least not make an enemy, you'd better thank her in the end credits (if it ever gets that far), and buy her an expensive car - relative to the amount you make.
Women have a tendency to hold serious grudges, which can last a lifetime.
Let us know how long it takes to get a check.
Thanks, R. Sparks.
To clear up any confusion, the first day of Christmas starts the day after Thanksgiving, so there are now 33 days of Christmas.
Back to work, folks!
It's a conspiracy!
Oh, they're gone. All gone.
I forgot what I said. Start a new thread.
1. Once a year.
2. Only when I'm tired.
3. The Matrix.
5. Strongly Agree
7. Not even if he was the last man on earth.
9. My nose
10. My eyes
12. A dove
13. When I was 15.
15. All the time.
Funny, no one's laughing this time, Richard. More than likely, people are worrying about you.
There's a lesson to be learned here. I'd say there's a fine line between sexual humor, and a twisted, sick attempt at being witty.
Go too far and it's like a two-inch layer of frosting on a 1/2 inch layer of cake. Nobody wants it.
Oh, yeah. Good luck with your writing.
Thanks, Paula. Let's not equate Richard with Melvin just yet, though. I'm willing to give RDaneScott@aol.com another chance.
The time granted for analysis of the preceding is intriguing, Richard. Don't kill yourself over it. Honestly, I didn't take things personally. Just as a stand-up comedian singles out members of the audience, and it's funny to everyone, so did I receive your questions in a similar manner.
True, my answers were much more difficult to address than the previous set, but your sole reliance on utilizing adult humor wore thin. I had opened the door for general humor to be injected, but you didn't take it.
As you can see, regardless of the rationale, the audience didn't laugh. This indicates that you crossed that fine line, as I mentioned earlier, and it didn't work. Too much frosting.
We owe you a word of thanks, for reminding us of this lesson. Kudos to you for stepping up to the plate and sticking your neck out.
BTW, I looked up necrophilia in the dictionary and the image I came up with was definitely not funny, so I would have to say that it is more offensive (and disgusting) than incestuous activities. Although incest is known as a sin, there is a greater number of people who relate to that as "acceptable" childhood behavior, similar to a boy and boy pretending to be a boy and girl. As adults, we rarely talk about it, but it's pretty common. Just like kids (goats), which try to hump anything, so do kids (humans). LOL! They both have this unknown urge to do something, and they don't know what it's really all about. It's funny.
Um, Richard, have you heard about Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder?
Ehh, this is the most recent popular topic?
(sigh) Oh, well.
There's a song running through my mind...
I am woman, hear me roar In numbers too big to ignore And I know too much to go back and pretend 'Cause I've heard it all before And I've been down there on the floor No one's ever gonna keep me down again
Whoa, yes, I am wise But it's wisdom born of pain Yes, I've paid the price But look how much I gained If I have to, I can do anything (Anything) I am strong (Strong), I am invincible (Invincible), I am woman
You can bend but never break me 'Cause it only serves to make me More determined to achieve my final goal And I come back even stronger Not a novice any longer 'Cause you've deepened the conviction in my soul
Oh, yes, I am wise But it's wisdom born of pain Yes, I've paid the price But look how much I gained If I have to, I can do anything (Anything) I am strong (Strong), I am invincible (Invincible), I am woman
I am woman, watch me grow See me standing toe to toe As I spread my lovin' arms across the land But I'm still an embryo With a long, long way to go Until I make my brother understand
Whoa, yes, I am wise But it's wisdom born of pain Yes, I've paid the price But look how much I gained If I have to I can face anything (Anything) I am strong (Strong), I am invincible (Invincible), I am woman
I am woman I am invincible, I am strong, I am woman I am invincible, I am strong, I am woman
Miriam! Hey, woman. How about some Aretha?
R-E-S-P-E-C-T find out what it means to me R-E-S-P-E-C-T take out the TCP ohhhh (Sock it to me. Sock it to me. Sock it to me. Sock it me…)
Oh, really, Craig? Is that why you asked for my phone number?
TCP stands for Trash Can, Please.
Actually, I always thought she was saying TLC, and consequently would sing it that way. Blame that website for TCP.
I'm not talking 'bout my linen. And I don't wanna change your life, but there's a warm wind blowing the stars around...
Since no one really welcomes people here, and it bothers you that after one post no one welcomed you, then feel free to become our own Mr. Welcome Wagon.
Make sure people get a book of coupons and a map of the area.
[Looking left. Looking right.]
Randy, it still sounds like my linen to me.
Mitchell The welcomes may not be much, but the send offs are spectacular.
Looking ahead is a given. I wouldn't want to be redundant.
As for Stephen King going downhill, don't you think it might have had something to do with the auto accident that nearly killed him? Maybe he has a different view about what activities he cares to invest his time on?
Heck, after Craig and I start having children, I'll be too engrossed on being a mother to care about writing....
Ugh, the thought makes me want to vomit.
Well, surprise! Surprise! Surprise!
Thanks for the update, guys. Please take note, however, PG didn't hold another "competition" this year.
B.A. posing for the cam shot! LOL! I can really see it...
(I don't have HBO.)
I have, however, learned to not waste cynicism, nor my wit, on my fellow witty cynics.
I'm not an intellectual snob. And I hate Mickey D's. I think Mitch is getting people confused.
Here's a helpful hint, Mitch: Copy and paste onto Word, those posts that you wish to respond to. Then, type your response on Word, which, of course, you will then copy and paste in the Reply Box.
Mitch, mith, mit. Your desperate attempt to provoke me into social discourse was not worthy of any other sort of response.
Please note the effort, which I made, in typing your name.
I'd ask you to try and make us laugh, but it seems to me that someone must have once told you to use lemon juice, instead of Charmin. It's not good for you, son.
[Shaking head sadly]
I knew that would go right over your head.
Confucius say, "Man in cave can't see walls."
I got a Christmas card from Mayor Rudy W. Giuliani! Does that count for anything?
Good going, Bob.
(I hope that link works.)
As we enter a new year, a few, deep thoughts came to mind.
It's about one o'clock in the mornin' in 1983. I'm about 17-years-old, and my best buddy shakes me awake and says, "Hey, you gotta come out to the car and hear somethin'." We go outside and we get in my dad's station wagon. He starts doing impressions of a duck. I slap him upside of his head and groggily mutter, "You little shit. You woke me up for this?" Took me three hours to get back to sleep. I was so mad. The next day at school was a complete waste. Because of him, I walked around like a sleepwalking zombie. Because of him, I flunked an important exam. The effects of this, snowballed into a complete disaster. The domino effect is still felt to this day.
Although I forgave the brat, after all, he was doing the best he could, being who and what he was, I learned two, important lessons:
If someone's best isn't good enough, then you sure as fire had better steer clear of the idiot. AND, if your best isn't good enough, then you sure as fire had better find a way to be better.
To this day, I know better than to entrust him in granting me peace. Thus, he's not privileged with the honor of my company. (Of course, that night in 1983 is just one example of his ignorance and inconsiderateness.) For if we're all sinners (as some need to believe), then I must maintain that those who are worse sinners, don't deserve the same rights and privileges as the purer ones.
Even though I loved the little guy, he rarely got to hear me say it. He was too busy carrying on like an argumentative jerk to ever give me a chance.
His loss. My lesson.
Why the anecdote? As writers, you should be taking inventory of what you're offering. Because in this business, you don't get second chances. Once you're dubbed an idiot, you will always be an idiot. Don't jump the gun and call up/send query letters to production cos and agents. Get your feet wet in a few competitions. Go to a few conferences. Mature, both as a human being and as a writer/business person.
We could even go so far as saying that once you post here, your initial conduct will be what you’re most remembered by.
As for my hypocritical buddy, I check in with him every now and then, to see if he's grown up, yet. [Rolling my eyes] Some things just never change.
My primary goal is pretty simple; to live by the following rule:
I come first.
Place lips here => X
I once had a jerky mouse, but then I cleaned up my computer, which made the jerk take a walk.
Judge not lest ye be judged.
... Thanks for sharing that with us.
Kevin gets a Kew-L vote from me.
I think I know what you're talking about. I remember seeing this "Blue Book" at a bookstore - Crown Books, actually - when I was living in L.A. some years ago. For a writer's purposes, it's not essential; for a producer, yes. It includes EVERYBODY and EVERY COMPANY associated with creating a film.
It was bigger than New York City's phone book and pretty costly.
I'd go with HCD online. For a one-week trial, you can capture lots of info.
Yeah. Bummer. Guess I'll just stick to the same old dialog.
Don't you just hate it, when a tune won't get out of your head?
My motto is:
Strive toward perfection, and it'll be halfway good.
Man with many words, and no valid point, has much bad breath.
Good luck, Miriam.
Kevin, try a little html. To show the following examples, you'll need to replace '[' and ']' with '<' and '>', otherwise, if I were to type them as they're supposed to be, they'll disappear and do what html is supposed to do.
[b]text[/b] makes things bold
[i]text[/i] makes things italic
[u]text[/u] makes things underlined
Last time I checked, no one ever suggested that writers indicate their age in a query letter.
The only way the truth would come out, is once they met you. By that time, they won't care how old you are, just as long as your parent or guardian signs the contract.
As for 13 being too young (for the Hollywood scene)? Yes.
What comes next?
That was not a dumb joke, Randy. I just made it up and I think it's pretty darned funny.
Here's a dumb joke:
How do you hide an elephant in a pumpkin patch?
You paint his balls orange.
Now, that's a dumb joke.
Let's see you come up with a more clever punch line, than what I came up with. I dare you.
"What the hell do you mean 'my hands are too cold?'"
Lep's hote phap someone swipches Craig's keys around. Whap a trick.
What's with all this conjecture? Does anybody really know her, or all of the circumstances surrounding her first sale?
What anybody thinks, it doesn't matter. What matters is what the woman behind the script thinks of herself. Only she knows what she's accomplished, and only she will have to live with herself for eternity.
It's none of my/our business.
Is there such thing as "A Management"?
So, what are you guys saying? That if I got hitched next week to some big Hollywood hunk, you wouldn't think less of me if he produced all my movies?
I trefer bipch.
Come on, Randy. Don't get your feathers all ruffled. It's not like this bloke/bird is claiming something really hideous. People move around from company to company all the time.
Usually, any contacts that one makes while at one company, follows them to the next. It's called a rolodex.
No big deal.
Well, at least s/he isn't hiding the fact that they're not using their real name. I don't care for the anonymity factor, but it's better than being outright lied to. And I don't see someone opening the door for further gossip.
More importantly, he's not trying to sell us the Brooklyn Bridge.
You really shouldn't place me on such a high pedestal.
Oh, oh, oh. [Waving my finger]
I seeee, what are you saying? That due to some petty, trivial opposing point of view, should Steven's material cross your desk, you'd immediately toss it aside?
How petty. Are you on some sort of power trip?
Get over it. From a producer's point of view, I assure you, they don't care about the opinion of a writer, who wrote the next Star Wars.
I can certainly understand someone, who would be less likely to investigate the viability of another's talents, should the other party be a known rapist, or pedophile, but to threaten someone, simply because they spoke their mind... That's just simplemindedness.
You need to watch Mary Poppins.
Apology accepted. Thank you.
Please remember that it's TRUE for some people in this town - if you burn a bridge with someone, it'll bite you in the a--!
That's why Hollywood is so full of a bunch of phonies. - - Don't get me started. Don't even get me started!
That's a good boy.
I just came up with this intriguing story. I view the main character as a cynical guy, who knows nothing about real love. Care to co-write on this with me? Can't explain why, but you're the first person that came to mind.
I'm serious. E-me.
I don't really have anything to add. It's just finally occurred to me, thanks to T. Turk/I Seeeeee, that I could adjust my name.
Not having the accent mark all those years really stressed me out. What a relief! Thanks, I Seeeeee.
Well, shit. The only place you can see it is in the profile.
Mrs. Moye? What makes you think I'm married? It's Ms. Moye.
In your dreams.
That's the last straw, Craig! I retract my previous offer. >:P
The beach does not agree with me. My fair skin burns easily and I hate having a glop of sand that always seems to gather in my suit. Maybe you men don't know what I'm talking about, but perhaps the women will.
Based upon our visitor's comments, e.g.:
My suggestion is to work on relationships, make contacts and focus on NETWORKING!
... however, I just might as well hang up my hat and become a beach bum.
Sure. I can see me now -- a bag lady living off the scraps that tourists toss away. The Florida Keys should be warm in the winter...
For what I Seeeee is truly suggesting is beneath my standards, and I will not forsake my integrity.
It's all over, folks. We can all go home.
Just copy and paste from Word into the "name" field of the User Profile.
Steve Martin also used to say, "What the hell is that?!?"
Sean, you have inspired a warm chuckle.
As for Marc H., I a) have a feeling he will be inundated with queries; and b) must think quite highly of MovieByters to grant us the special treatment.
Does anybody else hear the distant sound of Jay Leno's voice rising from the deep recesses of this thread?
"Oh, shuT uuuuup!"
Terry is a guy?
No offense intended, but I usually consider "Terry" as a woman's name. But, come to think of it, has Terry ever mentioned whether he was a guy or a girl?
Do something akin to The Blair Witch Project, documentary-style, and enter it into a few festivals.
Don't forget to include an interview with one of those hoax experts.
This would further your career, more than making a fast buck through the news media, who won't give you any credit.
This, though, raises the question:
Is it morally sound to profit from another's uniqueness? What if Bigfoot is actually a real human, but his genes somehow left him back in the caveman days? What if his kind were brutally mistreated by hairless men, and they sought refuge in the desolate isolation of the backwoods?
Is it your place to unearth his existence, so that he would then turn into some sort of public spectacle?
In essence, dear D.G., you would steal from him his peace, perhaps even cause his demise.
I'd leave him alone.
"...can only see it if it is referred to him by a known third party."
Huh? And he also needs his mommy's permission to be excused from the dinner table, right? What do you think he's really saying?
Keep in mind that business-folk have a tendency to put up a front. If this was communicated face-to-face or over the phone, he was handling you so as to quickly brush you off.
I have the flu.
[Weak laugh] ('cause I'm sick.)
I knew you loved me, Craigie. Thing is, is D.G. a guy or a girl? I mean, what are you saying? You want him to get sick too?
Side note for someone earlier:
Ah, yes. I know all too well of this problem Chadwick is having over there.
I argued w/the fellow re: the lack of validity in the reader's criticism(s). His biggest point was that there was a lack of government involvement in the story. I pointed out that Federal Agents showed up w/in the first few pages, and were ever-present throughout.
I pushed and I got my money back.
I'm touched. Reminds me of a fever-induced dream I had last night. Too weird. It didn't involve you, though.
I'm babbling. Good night.
Er, um... okay. At this point, most of it's pretty foggy, but the general gist was:
An old boyfriend, who's in the doghouse, shot a talkshow-style show to confess his guilt, lies, shame and profess how much he truly Loved me. The camera shots were akin to Baz Luhrmann's Moulin Rouge opening scenes.
He screamed as if he were an animal experiencing searing pain, but all the while I heard these low voices around me chanting, "He doesn't care about you. He doesn't care about you." They grew louder and louder until I couldn't hear what he was saying on the T.V.
I screamed at him, "I'll never forgive you, you hideous man! You don't care about ME! I have no respect for you! You're a whore! You're a slut and all you care about is your dick! I'll never trust you!! You sent me to hell!!!"
Then, I woke up.
There's the key difference between Script Pimp and production companies. You paid them $140.00.
Apples to oranges.
You never know what the future holds, Mike.
Mmmm. Aren't you glad you asked?
What do they take us for? Idiots?
Gosh, ever since S. Key showed up to promote his services and AAA message board, we've been graciously honored with the presence of three new posters:
Dang, Paula! You've brilliantly captured the essence of their writing voice. You are a clever woman. Have you ever thought about being a script doctor?
Lord knows with all the talent on this site, we sure could use one.
It's just the flu, D.G., but thanks anyway.
Should we post them here first? If so:
About six years ago, I sent a really bad query letter to a literary agent in New York. I did, though, include everything I was supposed to - the first ten pages, the synopsis, and the all important S.A.S.E. I checked it once, and checked it twice, before sealing the envelope.
Months past. No response.
Finally, after sending a Christmas card (to remind her of me), I received a very rude rejection letter, in someone else's envelope, but with my name and address labeled over their information. The gist of the letter was, "We only represent the highest quality of writing." Handwritten at the bottom, it said, "You didn't include a SASE!!!"
Well, not only is she a bitch, but she's an incompetent bitch. I was so angry, rather than wallowing in self-pity, I sent out another query letter.
... to somebody else.
Stands to reason, then, that it happens everywhere else, too.
Why don’t some people care to do what’s right? How can anyone live with themselves, without integrity, morals and a sense of justice?
Oh, that’s right. We are surrounded by people who abuse drugs, alcohol and slowly die before our eyes.
I wonder if the likes of B.J. Burrow (Austin Heart of Film) or Greg Beal (Nicholl Fellowship) have any comments on this outrage?
I don’t understand why more people, everywhere, do not outcry such injustices in other types of competitions, but then, they don’t have millions of people witnessing the proof. Do they?
BTW, it was just announced that the Canadians were awarded a gold medal and the French Judge’s score was eliminated. THE OLYMPICS.
I read your entry twice - I don't know why, since you irritate me - and I'm not sure what point you were trying to make. Obviously, you missed mine.
Surely, I have no... beef with you participating in other discussions, but don't even bother to attempt any sort of exchanges avec moi.
"Oooh, la la. I sunt a letter to him. Now, I am going to ze potty. Check back with me, later."
In the live press conference, which instigated my argument, the Head Honcho of the Olympic thingy divulged that there was an admission of guilt. No speculation. No alleged behavior.
Just a few days ago, Picabo Street made some interesting observations regarding the whole affair. Being the expert in athletic competitions that she is, I trust her instincts in spotting a fix. "They (the Russian couple) knew they had the gold before they even walked out onto the ice... There was no expression of joyous surprise when they were awarded..."
Granted, I didn't watch either performance in their entirety, which isn't relevant to the foundation of my argument. But, after sizing up the talent of previous writing competitions, I can't help but wonder, "What the hell were they (the judges) thinking?"
Add to this, the lack of concern by the overseers of such competitions, in truly carrying out their stated missions, provokes one to consider not all is well.
It disgusts me to think of all the wasted and overlooked talent that's out there. Looking at the big picture, I can safely state that everyone loses out, when true winners are suppressed.
As for our Canadians, this incident was the best thing that ever happened to them. They are going to make a killing in commercials.
But, after sizing up the winning talent of previous writing competitions, I can't help but wonder, "What the hell were they (the judges) thinking?"
It depends on how big the actor is, Sean. Brad Pitt? Fuhgeddaboutit, unless you have an in with the actor. Such A-list performers' agents will tell you, "We don't accept unsolicited material."
If the actor has his/her own production company, you may fare a bit better. My hairdresser told me of another writer, in my area, that queried Meg Ryan's company, and was optioned.
If s/he has no production company, and you can't get anywhere with the agent, the next best thing to do, if you feel strongly about the project and that actor being perfect for the role, is to party/hang out where they do.
Christ, when I was 19 I was able to swing that.
Oops. Actually I was only 18.
I wonder if anyone here has responded to his multiple postings? He did, though, inspire me to also have my own Geocities site. Mine's better than his.
Take a peek...
Thanks, but what about the pages? I made them from scratch.
Thank you, but now I'm peeved. Those Bait & Switch Crooks sent me an email, telling me that they temporarily had to shut the site down, because there were too many hits in an hour. Now, if I want to purchase their premium package, I won't have that problem.
Hey, thanks. You don't think the "rose arrows" are too hokey, though? I doubt the site will do anything for my pursuits, but considering the Internet has turned into an encyclopedia of sorts (some folks have admitted to trying to do a search on my name - came up with a pole vaulter), I figured I'd better establish a presence. Just in case. ;)
I think for the purpose of doing a one-time query blitz, a few days of data gathering would be all you need. If they're still offering the one-week trial (about $10.00), and you want the most up-to-date and detailed info that the HCD offers (like contact names), then that'd be your best bet. Otherwise, MovieBytes offers a list of Agents, Managers, and Production Companies. Look for the "Agencies" button.
Venting is healthy.
Since I've not attempted this myself, don't hold me to this, but "buying the rights" is only necessary when the writer doesn't have first-hand knowledge, or involvement, in the events depicted. It's kind of like recording a conversation. You can record a conversation, without the other party's approval, but you can't record a conversation that you are not participating in, without the subjects' approval.
If you have to interview your sister, she has rights to those events and circumstances. If you have to interview her estranged husband, he has rights to those events and circumstances. If you only address events and circumstances that you became aware of, as an involved family member, then all circumstances and events are your own.
If I were an old lover of someone famous, I could write about my experience with him, divulging intimate secrets about him, and not have to ask his permission or award him a single cent. Everything he ever told me about his family, etc. became a part of my experience, and I have rights to that information.
Now, if you wanted to write about my involvement with him, you would have to acquire my rights.
I don't remember exactly who, but it was said by more than one person, authoritative and other. I remember agreeing with it, and still do. The ventor feels better. The ventee usually listens, with the anticipation that the favor will be returned, and feels better that they were able to assist the ventor.
It is my observation, however, that when a ventee hears, and is forced to absorb, chronic and intense venting, they are prone to a reduced tolerance of stressful situations. Thus, their stress threshold is much more sensitive, than before. This phenomenon is most commonly found in customer service centers for financial institutions.
B) Projection, anyone?
C) Aren't you the guy, whose balls are showing?
Just because you're such a swell fellow, Randy, I'm going to let you in on a secret. Now, nobody tell anybody else, if you find out!
Hint: Have you ever "found" a surprise link on a DVD?
I beg your pardon, but I find your pathetic attempt at being humorous to be in extremely poor taste.
To this point, I've been sufficiently polite and have held my tongue against you, considering you obviously do not possess a command of the English language. You step over the line one more time, and I'll rip into you.
Say I want a percentage of the gross profit, of all revenue generated from my screenplay. Anybody know what I'd say? I've heard "points" before, but I'm not clear about what that means.
So, saying, "x points on the back-end" would be correct, and understood?
What are you saying, D.G.? "Back end" means Net and "front end" means Gross?
Thank you all for your assistance. Now I can go back to visualizing, and make it a reality.
Hey, that's how I won a blue ribbon at an equestrian event.
You can believe that if you want to, Brandon.
Frankly, Brandon, considering your experience is limited to masturbation and eating TV dinners, I'd hardly place any credence in your ability to ascertain whether an individual is insane or sane.
As for myself, considering my education on such a subject, I've not sufficient data to ascertain as to whether any individual on this message board is indeed insane, and most certainly wouldn't be so egotistical as to make such an assumption.
As for one extending their ability to control another's actions, this is most certainly a reality. Granted, the stronger the personality involved, the less control one may exert upon the subject. I have an entire slew of examples where I've lead a conversation in the direction that I wished for it to go, etc.
For your limited scope of thinking, however, perhaps you should look at my initial statement in a different light.
While conducting business, it's best to practice, beforehand, the manner in which you will behave, speak, and address your audience. Having your subject matter prepared well in advance, will most certainly enable you to appear more in command, and provide you with a more focused direction to follow.
What would you rather do? Communicate effectively, or stutter and stammer, because you don't know what the hell you're talking about?
So, sorry. Did you have anything important to share? Have you used up all your hand cream?
Really, Brandon. Have you considered taking your frustrations elsewhere? Perhaps you should look into therapy.
Glad to hear you intend to seek some self-improvement, B.S. Now, why you think me "manly" is beyond me. Unless you're one of those chauvenistic pigs that think only men should be tough.
Since my heterosexual soul mate wouldn't appreciate me losing my femininity, you'll just have to deal with your issue (strong women).
Brooke Wharton's "The Writer Got Screwed (but didn't have to)"
Alright, I will. Thank you.
Frederick, or anyone, isn't there a link to buy books online, under a MovieBytes' credit?
I just think only men should be manly...
And women should be weak and docile? Well, dearie, you just pissed off every woman in a position of power.
As for your soulmate, I couldn't possibly say anything negative about him; obviously, he has it tough enough.
It's his bullshit that's made me so "tough".
I'm about to start singing, again. You made me do it...
I am woman, hear me roar.
In numbers too big to ignore...
Poor Brandon. You've yet to make a valid point.
Me doth thinks thou assume too much.
You must live in a world of tunnel vision... My God! And you are trying to be A WRITER?
Tsk-tsk. You just weren't paying much attention back there, were you? I left you a little nugget of inappropriate grammar and you didn't bite. Too late.
Now, how about your (intentional) spelling errors. Gosh, didn't kids pull that little trick in elementary school? What are you, 10?
Lastly, I'm sorry, but all questions must be submitted via the appropriate form on my website.
Thank you for visiting.
Have a nice day.
You missed last week, Greg? You mean you've been trolling here for some time, now? That's interesting.
Anybody have any knowledge about the picture quality, when transferring DV to a 16mm or 35mm "composite" print?
Satisfactorily doable, or don't go there?
Thank you much. Sounds like if you've got the resources to start with 35mm to begin with, then that's the better way to go.
Don't let him fool you, Steve. He wants something. I dunno what, but... he wants something.
Not so secret Mr. excite.com. I can't believe some of you guys haven't figured out where to view someone's email address.
Borrow my thread, Randy? Please. No one owns any threads.
Now, here's another tricky question, if anyone wants to respond. This documentary producer, whom I've discussed handling Director of Photography on this project, is now creeping in as if he is going to be a producer/director. Excuse me, that's what I am. Hello.
If all he's really doing is hiring the camera person, lighting tech, sound tech and grip, then supervising them, isn't he simply doing what the D of P does?
Because Mitchell, it's mine! MINE!! ALL MIIIIIIINE!!!
Thanks for the words of encouragement, gent #1 and #2. Reading a book is a little late at this point though, Mr. Blaine-Doe. The EIN is set.
BTW, don't get too excited about the email address thing. Although, why some people, such as yourself, choose to use an alias is a wonder. It indicates that you have no desire to cultivate any sort of real-life rapport with any fellow MovieByters. This, then, begs the question: Why bother stopping by?
Maybe I'm someone famous, and don't want the attention? ;-)
If this were the case, you wouldn’t have mentioned your using an alias.
Maybe I once wrote something really, really crappy, and now just surf these sites incognito?!
Such a failure would want nothing to do with the screenwriting world, and would avoid this site like the plague.
Maybe I pissed some off on here long ago with my real name, and wanted a fresh start?
Maybe you should just fess up and make amends, rather than hiding? The mere fact that you’ve already confessed to using a different name, indicates a sense of guilt and wanting to release yourself of your anguish.
Maybe I'm Rick Blaine because that name invites curiosity?
You think so? For what purpose?
Maybe posting on boards under your real name for some five years doesn't get you anywhere, so why not have some fun?
I beg to differ. I can honestly state that using my real name has offered me some benefit. Whereas, had some individuals not been familiar of me, via this site, I would have been treated differently.
Conclusion: You were dissed, probably by me, and you can’t help yourself but come back. Listen, sweetie, no one has ever behaved here in such a grossly inappropriate manner, as to warrant eternal exclusion.
On the other hand, it really doesn’t friggin’ matter. Keep up with those helpful hints, buddy.
If someone famous popped in to chat with us, say Tom Cruise or Steven Spielberg, would anyone here flip out?
mogle n (2002) : an individual who obsessively eyes others, in an amorous or provocative manner, and typically makes an "Mmmmm!" noise.
Never have been and never will be, but if fate decides to turn me into a mogul, I'll most likely disappear from here, before I "arrive," without so much as a kiss before boarding a plane.
brandon - Keep up.
Would I flip out? No. I'm a better person than everyone. Such folks should be kissing my hand (and have, naturally).
No. After two, failed marriages, and two children as a result, I'd rather not get involved with the confusion he evidently has in that department. Besides, after flipping him the bird twice, and telling him he was too short on another occasion, I don't think I'm on his list of potential whoopie.
Dear Mr. Couch,
Did I name names?
No big issue. Blame Rick Blaine for the topic. He thinks famous people hide behind bogus names on the Internet.
I just wondered how MBers would handle it.
brandon, weren't you the one who said he'd get some help?
Go find yourself some purpose.
... she’s not the one to help me.
When did I ever offer it? Really, it's your life. I actually could care less if slit your throat. I don't have the time, or the ability, to help every moron that posts on this message board.
Stand on your own, two feet.
... you go back to telling us all how intelligent and beautiful you are...
You spent way too much time reading a particular paragraph on my website. You must really care.
...we need a chuckle.
So, are we a split-personality?
You do realize you are starting to come across as an obsessed wacko, right?
Okay, I start off thinking I'm going to go with 35mm. Now, I find that most editors around here don't edit the film, they transfer the film product to digital and do all their editing on a program like Avid.
So, if this editor then transfers the digital image back to a film medium, what's the point in filming with 35mm to begin with?
I just wish...
Are you sure about that? I know you'd miss me. Eventually, everyone does.
Actually, guys, I've been chatting it up with this relatively local guy, and he's very much in on shooting HDDV. The camera rental is just as expensive (even more so, really) than a 35mm, but omitting the developing and raw film costs, etc. more than make up for the difference.
Thank you for all the insight.
Dear Dr. Steve,
Let's see, where shall I start? How about the "celebrity" figures that were approached to act as the project's host/ess, and have yet to respond? Gosh, they care so much about giving back to society. What a bunch of two-faced, hypocritical, self-centered fakes.
And how about the tech people that can't read, and keep asking me the same questions that were already answered?
Then, how about the shooting schedule that has got to go smoothly, or I run out of money and can't finish the project? Or, how about the jaw-dropping fees that some of these parasites want for their services ($800.00/day for a driver?!?)? Or, how about people not returning my phone calls?
Then, I've got the harassing emails from psycho-freaks that probably are guilty of the crime being addressed, and are taking their self-hatred out on me, for shining a light on their ugliness.
Top this off with a parking ticket, a backed up sewage system, which means my foyer will be torn up in the next month (or so) to replace a pipe, and the cleaning people that still haven't come out to finish the job, and the torn out carpet from my bedroom, and the mildew now growing, and most of my bedroom stuff sitting in the livingroom, and my neck hurts, but the chiropractor costs too much. Then there's also my realization that I'm not ever going to have a family, because it's too late, and men are selfish pigs and the whole world is messed up. Oh, and then there's that wacko neighbor that wakes me up every morning at 4:00, yelling at her son to "turn out the light!" And, gawd damn it, I keep running out of cigarettes.
Will somebody do my dishes?!?
Craig and Steve K: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dr. Steve: What's a doobie? I thought that was a joint. I don't do joints and I don't do wine, either, but I took a deep breath. Thanks.
Pitch both of them, but with one not being completed, you may find yourself in trouble.
Confucius say, "Man who lay in bed all day makes only wrinkled sheets."
I think most competitions don't accept adaptations, period.
Writing competitions' intentions are usually to award the writer for their own original material, not some copy/paste job from some other writer's novel/play.
Sa-sa-Sandraa Bullick? Don't get me started. Don't even get me started.
Nicholl specifically states that they do not accept adaptations. I suggest you do your homework, Elaine, and refer to each competitions' Rules & Regulations.
BTW, Baby, I suggest that when someone offers you assistance, in the future, that you do not attempt to insult them.
I think the people in charge don't really care whether they hold true to Mr. and Mrs. Nicholl's intentions.
As long as somebody gets named.
Actually, I'm beginning to be rather skeptical about how the industry really views competitions. I read a review the other day, for a recently released movie, and the author belittled the screenwriter's twist in the end, as if it were an attempt to please judges of a writing competition. In other words, the professional reviewer is basically saying that the winners of writing competitions aren't as highly regarded as some tend to believe.
Actually, seeing how I've had personal experience in adapting my own novel into a screenplay version, I'd say I've gained a bit of insight regarding the subject.
Think about it, from my point of view.
Now, would you like to explain to me how to wipe my ass?
Elaine, apology accepted.
“At the outset, as it still is today, the program's goal was to identify and encourage talented new screenwriters.”
I think the key word here is talented. After our exchange last year, Mr. Beal, I’ll reiterate my earlier post. I think the people in charge don’t really care…
Additionally, without naming names, I’ve read a script, or two, which have done quite well in this competition, only to toss the piece of crap onto the floor with complete disgust and disbelief.
You’re reading too much into my observation. Frankly, I’m too tired and too busy to spell it all out for you.
BTW, I suggest you educate yourself regarding the term slander. It will set you free. I promise. While you’re at it, you might also look up the meaning of naïve.
Dear Mr. Gill,
Since I usually don't read all of the threads, you might want to try putting "Attn: Ashley" in your topic, next time around.
I'm so happy that you've set the record straight for people like me, who lack the ability to think clearly and live our lives in a cave. We rarely get out and have the opportunity to see things as they truly are.
Our opinions lack justification, and we have a tendency to merely imagine what others say and do. Moreover, we are completely blind to the activities within Hollywood and big corporate entities, where billions of dollars are at play.
Again, thank you.
Only for people like you, sonny.
So, D.G., you think God has already risen? What do you think the Creator thinks of this mess on earth?
D.G. doesn't offend me by expressing his beliefs. It's called the right to free speech. One may not agree with his ideas, but that is each person's right to do so.
BTW, whoever said we had to stick with screenwriting topics on this message board? Like no one has ever strayed before?
I applaud D.G. for being so gutsy, as to contradict the "God Forgives All" philosophy.
As for myself, I feel that it isn't up to a higher power, than yourself, to forgive you of your transgressions and misdeeds. Making amends is your own responsibility.
I'm no expert, when it comes to the various beliefs amongst religious communities, but I have noticed a common denominator.
The gist is that as long as you recognize the wrongs you've done, you regret your actions/inactions, and come to realize the spiritual nature of your existence, then you'll come to know a spiritual/mental state dubbed Heaven.
(Correct me, if I'm wrong.)
It also seems to me that it doesn't matter what path gets you there, so long as you get there. Whatever works for you.
I saw this bumper sticker today. It said, "You call me a bitch like it's an insult."
Get a lawyer.
Ah, Metaphorical! That's the key word. Now, go look up all the definitions of "with" (with God). My dictionary has about 20+.
Now, to really bake your noodle:
Which definition did the original author intend?
Is the definition even there?
What if the language, originally used, was not correctly translated into English?
My take: I don't need a bible to tell me, I already know.
Working late last night, and listening to the boob tube for background noise, this preacher of some sort came on. I gathered, from his beliefs, that Christ would be coming back. Later on in the show, he said - that God said - that anyone who identified themselves as the saviour was a lying demon.
Then, he went on to say that there are things that people do or think because there are demons among us. So, there are demons among us? If this is true, then surely there must be angels among us, but he didn't mention that.
Organized religions wonder why they get such a bad rep. It's no wonder the masses have turned to Hollywood to blindly worship something.
Actually, Steve, I do not deny the existence of demons, which are merely highly intelligent spiritual entities with evil intentions. I was primarily attempting to point out the contradictions that the preacher was making, and the fear he attempts to spread through his words.
I absolutely agree that some individuals have been possessed by a demonic entity. Not to weird anyone out, but there was one such fellow that was repeatedly attempting to "attack" me for awhile, some time ago. I definitely felt an outside source trying to choke me out, usually while I was asleep. It was a crushing, oppressive sensation, charged with a definitively unpleasant energy. Thankfully, I've been blessed with strength and kept the bastard at bay.
On the other hand, there have also been times when I've felt an outside source bestow affinity upon me (when I was low, or not), at which times I felt a greater sense of peace. At times, it was a much needed break from stress. Angel? Not too far fetched. An angel is simply a highly intelligent spiritual entity.
I think most religions make it all so much more complicated than it really is.
Hey, R. Sparks, just how are Scientologists programmed?
Funny. I've personally learned that the technology was designed by L. Ron Hubbard to do the exact opposite.
BTW, what was that I said on May 22nd?
It also seems to me that it doesn't matter what path gets you there, so long as you get there. Whatever works for you.
Looks like your opinion is flawed.
What silliness, Sparks? Name one book you've read. I'd wager you haven't even read Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health. Prove to me that you aren't speaking from ignorance.
What I find even more humorous is how you've equated Scientology to other religions, by including it in this thread. Scientology doesn't address the existence of God at all. Each parishioner decides for themselves how they wish to address that.
Seems to me there are just some people, who need a scapegoat to unleash their frustrations upon. Of course, the new kid on the block is the easiest target for the cowards to spit at. "Oh, I get tons of mail from them! Aren't they awful!!!"
Boo-hoo-hoo. What a heinous crime! Don't like it? Toss it out. It's not your dime.
BTW, you still haven't answered my original question:
How are Scientologists programmed?
What's the matter? Don't you have an answer?
Interesting that you bring up David Hume, after studying his ideas, I found them to be quite similar to some of Hubbard's. It was David Hume's hope that one day some adventurous genius would leap at the arduous prize of understanding the workings of the human mind, which he considered to be the fundamental science.
True, Hubbard stated that he was greatly inspired by philosophers throughout the ages, as are most individuals that see any sort of validity in our philosophical predecessors.
What has set me off is your dubbing all Scientologists as mere robots that act in a previously determined manner, who have no self-determinism to act of their own accord. Quite the contrary, the therapy, known as auditing (audit means to listen), enables an individual to think and act as he/she sees fit - without the determination of another's will upon him/her.
Programming, as I originally perceived you to mean, is more along the lines of psychiatric practices where the patient/victim is drugged, shocked with electricity and planted with post-hypnotic suggestion(s). Sleep and nutritional deprivation are also commonly enlisted. Assuredly, none of these techniques are contained within the Scientology philosophy and are actually vehemently opposed.
philosophy n (13c) 4 a: the most general beliefs, concepts, and attitudes of an individual or group
philosopher n (14c) 2 b: the expounder of a theory in a particular area of experience
religious adj (13c) 1: relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity
[Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary (c) 1990]
Auditor, 1. one who listens and computes; a Scientology practitioner. 2. one who has been trained in the technology of Scientology. An auditor applies standard technology to preclears.
Preclear, 3. one who is discovering things about himself and who is becoming clearer.
[Dianetics and Scientology Technical Dictionary (c) 1975]
Not to insult you, Sparks, but it seems to me that whatever book you read, you didn’t completely understand the context of the material.
I’ve no intention to bring class to order, though I am sufficiently satisfied that you truly do not have an understanding of Scientology, its practices or beliefs.
Over and out.
I graduated magna cum laude. I made A's in most of my philosophy courses.
Good for you. I hope that piece of paper actually got you somewhere in life.
To suggest that I wouldn't be able to understand Hubbard is unfounded.
Gosh, now I’m wondering if you can really read at all. You go back and read what I posted, Sparks. Then, I want you to quote me, where I suggested anything, or even stated that you lacked the ability to comprehend Hubbard.
Let me repeat myself for you. I am sufficiently satisfied that you truly do not have an understanding of Scientology, its practices or beliefs. I stated this, because it rather irritates me when one lacks the expertise to authoritatively comment on an area in which they, in actuality, possess no valid knowledge at all, yet attempt to pass themselves off as such.
Then, you dare to insult me by pompously assuming that my only exposure to religion, or other philosophies, has been Scientology? You’re an ass. You have proven, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that you are an idiot. Forgive me, but why the hell should I give you a rundown of my life’s story?
At this point, Sparks, seeing how you do not intend to learn anything (even after I had to post definitions for you) your misguided, or perhaps covertly malevolent, ramblings will be a waste of your time. I suggest you use your degree to wipe your ass, seeing how it appears to me that that is truly all it’s worth to you.
You see, I really don’t give a damn about what you think. For the rational folks that have passed by here, I’ve already said my peace.
Now, as for this alleged criminal activity of said alleged “Scientologists,” any criminals out there should be enlightened that you are not eligible for Scientology auditing services. The criminal can not be helped with this technology. It’s too good for you. Please stay away.
1. Hume is a primary character in the novel I wrote, Roses Through the Mist. He’s a Scottish Moral Philosopher that penned An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, which he later revised and published in 1746 or 56 (I don’t feel like looking it up). I think it was around 1755 that he worked on the history of England, but spent two weeks in London, during that time. Since I’m not getting graded, I’ll leave it at this. I quoted him earlier - verbatim. Didn’t you recognize his words?
2. I wholeheartedly agree with the right to free speech, and for one to express his/her opinions. What you stated, and what I can not believe you do not recognize with your magna cum load of shit background, is that you were stating something as if it were a fact. This “fact” was false in nature, and I corrected you. Actually, you publicly stating that Scientologists are programmed is libelous, and you could be sued. Would you like me to forward your information onto the Church’s lawyers? They’re merciless and relentless, haven’t you heard? You seem to know so much, sir.
Now, if you state, I disagree with Hubbard… fine. You’re entitled. Feel free.
3. To be more precise: Scientology is an applied religious philosophy. Now, had you truly read a text published by L. Ron Hubbard, you would have known that.
4. Your arrogance pisses me off. You are a fool. If there’s one thing I can stand, it’s fools. It's not that I think they are bad people, mind you, it just that they are mentally inferior to myself and are a waste of my time.
(sigh) I'm sorry you feel that way, Sparks. If you really want to know the truth, though, a true Scientologist, who has learned the importance of honor, would be the first to stand up for your rights, as a human being, and would stick their neck out to save your life.
We live in a world full of bitter, selfish people, who walk around like unfeeling robots. Anyone remember the report about a woman, who was raped in a park, and the onlookers just stood by and did nothing? As a witness, I wouldn't have. I would have beat that SOB to a pulp.
What's really ludicrous is how we're conditioned for people to "mind their own business" and do nothing when we witness danger. An example of this was just the other day, I saw two boys that were apparently beating up another boy. One boy was on top of their target, as the other boy kicked him in the ribs. I pulled over and asked if there was a problem. The boy on top claimed they were just playing. I insisted on hearing it from the boy getting the beating. After he assured me they were just playing, I said, "Alright, then," and pulled away. This was met with one of them shouting, "Why don't you just mind your own business!" I hit the brakes and responded, "Say that, the next time someone takes a knife to your throat!"
The next time I saw them, they looked guilty as hell.
I hope you won't ever have to eat crow, Sparks. Having someone make an attempt on your life can be devastating, even if they fail.
I don't know what everyone does, but I wrote up an outline first, listing who gets interviewed in what order and what basic questions will be asked.
Many documentaries, though, edit clips of the interviews and scatter them throughout the finished product - essentially filing them by topic (Person A, B, C, A, D, B, A).
Mine is pretty cut and dry. The intention is to have one take for each interviewed subject, without mingling their comments together (Person A, B, C, D...). Some VO work can be scripted prior to the on-camera research. It really depends on the subject matter.
If you're really curious, I'll email you the script.
What's rather interesting, though, is the buzz it's created in my community. Some people I contacted (crew), knew about the project before I even called them. Scary.
Great topic! I'm 200.
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If reincarnation happens to most people, but not Christians, then where did Christian souls come from? They were brought into existence only after the birth of Christ? Just how many souls do you think there are?
How long has man existed on earth? How long has "man" existed in the physical universe?
You think earth is the only inhabitable planet?
... or once inhabitable?
It would behoove you to first gain an understanding of the individuals you are attempting to communicate with in an open forum, such as this writers' message board. There are some that have been here for years.
If you don't intend to place your foot in your mouth, there are a couple of ways for you to first enlighten yourself. You may wish to try the SEARCH function, located near the bottom of the main page and at the bottom of each topic's thread. Another option would be the "Display messages by author" function, located at the end of each author's message.
Lastly, if you are not an expert, do not try to pass yourself off as one. You won't be "discovered" here. Someone, with more knowledge than you, is highly likely to embarrass you, and will be less likely to assist you in your creative writing endeavors.
D.G. you are quick!
To answer your question, though: Hell if I know. It makes me wonder, however, if some of these people would turn down a producer's offer to purchase their script, if the producer was Floyd Mutrux, or Tom Cruise, Kirstie Alley, et al.
Gimme a break.
Here's a little clue for some folks. Avoid berating any religion, etc. to someone you don't really know - and I mean inside and out - because you just might offend the exact person you don't want to offend.
... why are you starting a new thread?
Because I'm so egotistical, I wanted my own topic title.
What's your point in this topic? Are you really asking for people's thoughts on the subject matter?
Should I lend credence and dignify your curiosity with my response? Hmmm.
Well, what would you do if this aforementioned agent responded to your outcry with a solemn, "Yes, my child?"
No, no, no, no. You can not be perusing the board at the same time that I am, D.G. Stop it!
Jesu pesu, you think I'm related to someone? My dad's a retired professor. My mom's a reading teacher at a community college. My estranged brother is a hippy in Maine. My younger sister is a German teacher. My younger brother is an engineer. The rest of the family, I don't talk to enough to know what they're currently doing. Assuredly, however, none of my familial ties are in any way involved with the entertainment industry.
I also view the reviewer with no training other than watching movies as potentially very helpful - these are the people you expect to plop down their $8 to see your film.
Paula makes an excellent point here.
Example A - 100% of "non-writers" loved it, and were eager to see it on the screen. 10% of experienced writers were unfavorable to the SP.
I'll be damned if I'll let someone claim that I rode somebody else's coattails. Whatever I accomplish is going to based upon my own writing efforts and talent.
People that make their living, due to "daddy's success" or sexual posturing don't cut it in my book of respect.
Spend too much time on a page and the system logs you out. If you find you're taking a long time to type in a response, copy the text prior to hitting the "Add New Message" button. That way, if you're booted out, you can just paste the text and submit it.
Seriously, I suggest you attend various conferences, read books on the business of writing, test the waters with your screenplay at Zoetrope, enter some contests... Personally, paying someone $200.00+ to read my screenplay and decide whether it's good enough to shop around, for them to later get 7% of the sale/option, just doesn't sit right with me.
The key thing here is to not promote yourself to the big people, before you're ready. You'll probably get only one chance, and you don't want to blow it.
I don't know how to put this gently, Lori, but with the spelling errors, etc. in your post (except vs. accept), I'd say you've got a bit of basics that you also need to work on, before you think about what to say in a query letter.
What Andrea observed at Zoetrope is the main reason why I steer clear from the message boards over there, and Done Deal. Frederick has nurtured the safest, sanest BB I've found in the Internet, writing community.
As for a chat room: Frederick has mentioned that there hasn't been a sufficient demand to warrant this. Personally, I don't care for the chat room setup. The few times I've participated, reading the scrolling text made me sick to my stomach. It was kind of like seasickness.
You could always put a warning label on the SP.
"Steal it, and I breaka yo face!"
If you really think about it, a writer that lives to write, who feels he has nothing to lose, would probably go temporarily insane (if he was ripped off). I could see such an infuriated writer going off the deep end and beating the plagiarist to a pulp.
Let me help you out there.
This one's a "looking over the shoulder" shot.
As long as you make at least one (1) business contact during the year, you are considered a professional and self-employed in the eyes of the IRS.
Save all receipts, keep track of the mileage, and file accordingly.
For further information, I suggest you seek the advice of a CPA, or contact the IRS for appropriate guides and/or additional information.
FYI: Any movies you pay to see can be written off.
It's good to have a CPA in the family!
A good writer likes to read what s/he has written.
A great writer is read by others, who like to read what s/he has written.
A phenomenal writer becomes famous for what s/he has written.
The what, where, how and why do not matter.
Bite me, Gill, you pretentious dick.
Your rebuttal completely misses the point. Do you always think inside of a tunnel?
Why aren't you writing an article, or kissing someone's ass (more effectively)? More to the point: Why are you here?
Does that included DVD rentals? I'd sure like to get my money back for some of the crap I've rented over the last year.
Yes. In fact, I was able to write off the purchase of my DVD player, due to the circumstances of its purchase and use.
As for the other post that mentioned going back years, after you've made some money: I'm not sure what you're operating off of. Expenses and revenue are calculated on an annual basis. So, if you get a big check on January 2, 2003, you won't be able to factor in your business expenses from 2002 to calculate your taxable income for 2003. (This is considering you're not an incorporated entity that operates on a different fiscal year, other than January 1st to December 31st.)
The best anyone can do is file an amended return for years already reported, considering business expenses that weren't deducted from their taxable income.
Gill, I seem to fascinate you to the point where you feel you expect things from me?
You've answered my question.
Poor, Gill. That sounds terribly pathetic. Evidently your life is so empty and shallow, you have nothing better to do than invest your time and energy in obsessing over such trivial matters.
Why you assume that I am wont to seeking flattery so readily is a mystery. All the more evidence of your aptly dubbed title.
Perhaps you should try getting out more?
If I'm understanding you correctly, D.G.:
a) Why would a producer/reader care what I think about your script?
b) My coverage does not equal writing the script, thus I would not feel right about accepting anything other than your "thank you" for my opinion.
c) Unless the attachments to a query are from somebody well-respected in the biz, producers/assistants view the attachment of readers' opinions as amateurish. Besides, if the referral was coming from someone well-respected, the solicitation would originate from that well-respected individual. This would make your query tactics moot.
It's a generous deed, though.
Huh. I wonder if some of those folks "find something to fix" just so they can get a bigger piece of the pie.
When I tried to respond to your email, it came back as "unknown user." Just wanted to remind you of your own words:
3) Unlike other BBs, there are no draconian rules as to topics, language, flameing and the like. That freedom to digress, be obnoxious and to manifest sundry anti-social tendencies sets up a payoff on the backend by creating an environment in which creative expression knows no bounds.
BTW, don't take it too seriously. It can be entertaining.
Thank you for your input.
peak vs. peek -
peak n (1530) 4 a (1): the top of a hill or mountain ending in a point
peek vi (14c) 2 : to take a brief look: GLANCE
We tried to hike to the peak of Mt. Everest, but never made it. The shy fellow could only peek over his menu, as the lovely lady gazed out the window.
Frederick! I keep trying to put in the closer, but it keeps showing as bold.
Whew. "Never mind."
Why do I write?
When a story has formulated in my mind, it envelopes me to the point of obsession. If it isn't documented and fleshed out on paper, then it consumes me to where I am unable to do anything else.
Why has the story formulated?
I have strong opinions, emotions, and ideas to share. Sometimes, I'm writing for just one person. Sometimes, I'm writing for those that fundamentally see life as I see it. Sometimes, I'm writing for anyone who can think, and wishes to be entertained.
What is the goal behind the story?
To do my little part in helping to create a more peaceful and intelligent world for me to exist in. If others would like to exist there, too, that's cool (as long as they don't pick the flowers).
I thought The Majestic was effing awesome. And I thought "I forgot" was rather apropos, which is beside the point. You shoot arrows for just one line?
The Majestic was the first movie that really struck me as an impinging tribute to our heroes and war veterans - something which no war movie has ever come close to.
I was enchanted. Jim Carrey was actually desirable, it was that good.
Andrea, you think I don't realize that everyone is entitled to their opinion? Don't insult me.
As for this slow issue, I didn't get that at all. There were moments when it took us on a gentle, easy ride, like going for a relaxing walk, but it worked for me.
Euthanasia: If my body were beyond repair, and it was so damaged that it would shortly expire, then I'd want somebody to help put me out of my misery a.s.a.p. If I were brain dead, but sustained through a life support system, then I'd want somebody to pull the plug. That's not living.
Suicide: I'd say about 95% of my closest friends (over my lifetime) have expressed thoughts of killing themselves, or at least wished they were never born.
It is perfectly natural for an individual, when they are experiencing pain, to wish to remove themselves from whatever is causing that pain. For one to think that suicide is going to relieve oneself from mental/emotional anguish, however, is pure ignorance.
Once one recognizes their innate, spiritual nature, one will see that your love isn't the only thing you take with you, but also the baggage.
It won't go away, just because the heart stops beating. And neither will your awareness.
You can not escape your inner demons by leaving this world. All you can do is confront them head on, like a dragonslayer who aims his weapons at the destructive beast.
I don't particularly care for war movies, as they're usually the same thing, just different characters/actors. I'm not big on witnessing violence and destruction of life. Typically, there does not seem to be the intent to remind us of our veterans' ordeals and sacrifices, but they seem to be more geared toward shocking us to gain "entertainment" points.
So, no, I've not read any war movie scripts.
I do, though, have great interest in the idea of one having the courage to stand up for what is just, no matter the personal sacrifice. Of greater importance, is our respecting those who gave all to give us what we have, and will have. The Majestic beautifully expressed this point, without resorting to guns and explosions. It reminded us not to let the headstones exist in vain.
Oh, Andrea. How petty, I suppose.
You'd fare better by learning to play golf and moving to LA, CA. Palm Springs has great green.
One more thing: If you're attractive and cool, that is.
It's a sad situation, when a person bases their existence upon being accepted by one other person.
Congratulations to the people who got their quick fix, which temporarily remedied their situation. You found a band-aid.
Oy. "Boo-hoo-hoo. I'm nobody unless s/he loves me."
Here's a newsflash for you, guys. How about living and being comfortable with yourself, without the need to feed off another's admiration?
Or, "Boo-hoo-hoo. I'm nobody unless I reach my established goals."
Here's a newsflash for you, guys. How about living and being comfortable with yourself, without the need to sell a script? There are lots of other things that need to be done around here. Maybe your true calling lies elsewhere.
Sure they're all losses. Any sort of loss is painful. Just see it for what it is, and find something else to win at. Most importantly, though, is respecting yourself first.
How you do that is up to you.
Hmm. "Clueless moron." Why don't you just hold up a big sign, Sparks, that reads "Ashley struck a nerve."? No wonder you need someone to fulfill your inner void.
But we humans are by our nature social animals, seeking to achieve happiness through relationships and through achievements.
I did not deny this to be true. My earlier point was to address those that rely on someone else to provide them with happiness. Teenaged girls are more commonly open about this need.
It's (potentially) dangerous and unhealthy.
Speaking for myself, although the company of an individual, whom I enjoy spending time with, is cherished, I'm perfectly content with being by myself.
On the other hand, I was introduced to this fellow, who was so lonely and depressed (being unattached) that he resorted to anti-depressants. To me, that's akin to alcohol/illegal drug abuse. Needless to say, I considered him a loser and expressed no interest in him.
An earlier post (I forget his name) touched on some good medicine: Get out of your head. For times when my thoughts have gotten too immersed on my losses and disappointments, I go for a walk in the park. The point is to extrovert your attention, bringing yourself into the here and now, so one is able to see more clearly and rationally.
Additionally, making sure one is getting sufficient vitamins and minerals is also key, especially Vitamins B1 and C. Combined, they help soothe the nerves.
If I may, I'd like to recommend the supplement that I use. Given that just last night, a clerk thought I was 17, and not 36, is an additional testament to the impact that these supplements have made on my life.
You don't like my opinion? Too bad. The truth is sometimes difficult to bear.
Let me put it another way. Someone who pops a pill in their mouth to feel better, lacks the strength to confront themselves, and permanently resolve their issues. A weak coward = Loser. Here lies escapism in the extreme.
If you will note, I did not address medical conditions, which require a doctor's intervention. I addressed those with short-term issues that they do have control over.
Furthermore, to measure one's success by one's materialistic goods, is merely shallow thinking. Are you also saying that a drug lord, who drives a porsche, is a winner?
Lastly, the post that seems to have resulted in an outcry of objection was not directed to any one person. If the shoe fits... You stood up and claimed the crown.
Now, go back to your ignorant world and wallow. True help is only for those who wish to receive it, and I gave as much as I'm capable of offering on a message board.
You're right. I should improve my choice of words. I'll get back to you.
They're pretty much on the same level. Both are also transient and superficial. But, what's a pretty or ugly face got to do with what we're talking about?
I don't buy it. The fellow (who's been married for 20 years) takes the time to pop in to advise someone to go to Done Deal, then only hours later burns himself to death? C'mon.
Anyone that far gone wouldn't bother with the Internet, unless he was making a last, feeble attempt to "leave a mark."
If the latter is closer to the truth, then I'd say Mitchell had his mind made up some time ago.
Andrea, if you're reading this: Right-o.
As for this: I've also seen, first hand, a kid of twelve try to kill himself over and over.
And I have to ask... Ashley, if that were your son, would you tell him he was a loser and walk away? Maybe you would.
Why do people only jump on the brigade, after someone goes that far?
I'd be on top of my son's case, the moment he stumbled, not after he's fallen.
This strategy is only applicable to the first read. Of course, all subsequent reads start out of the gate at the same time.
However, to better your chances in making the first hurdle, others have recommended sending in your entry at the last minute. The theory is that the readers have a better grasp on what's rolling in the door. So, when the gem comes along, it's typically rated higher than it would have been (if it had been read earlier on).
No one has ever recommended sending it in the middle of the entry period.
One woman has recommended you fold it accordian-style. That way, when they reach into the bin, it sticks out-- Oh, wait, that's for sweepstakes entries.
FYI: I don't read all the threads. Next time, put "Attn: Ashley" in the topic. A little birdie had to clue me in about your post.
You're right. The rebellious days of my youth continue to haunt me. Some day I'll kick the habit.
Had my first cigarette when I was 12.
Had my first inhaled puff when I was 15.
Was outed from the closet when I was 16.
I felt so "grown up and independent".
Yeah, well. At least I've cut out caffiene.
An old friend of mine called one of those suicide prevention hotlines. She was instructed to go to the ER. When she arrived, she was instructed to remove her clothing and was left in a room where there were no dangerous items. She sat there, naked, for hours till someone arrived and went in to talk to her. The intention was to admit her to their psychiatric ward.
The treatment she received made her internal situation worse. She felt completely violated and betrayed by "the system". So, she left.
I didn't want to bring that up to Mitch.
Speaking from personal experience, when I was in the throes of PTSD, and experiencing more pain than I thought humanly possible, a wise friend didn't "talk" with me. She literally took me for a walk, and kicked me out of the windowless, doorless closet.
It's a Scientology process called A Locational.
I went from putting a noose around my neck to making a complete recovery.
Drugs, talking... right.
Tell me, Tom. Just what's the success rate your brother and his associates have?
I've been helping my mother go through her various time capsules, at her home. We've come across many a saved letter, school composition, etc. of mine from my youth. Hilarious, interesting stuff.
I didn't realize this till now, but I was writing short "screenplays" way back when.
God, my spelling was horrendous (comparitively speaking).
Anyone ever go through their old stuff? How'd it look?
You are in the wrong place, honey.
They're back? Bahahahahahahahah - Aaahahahahahahaaaaa! And, and, and they're charging $30.00?!? ROTFLMAO
Oh, oh... oh, my.
Someone asked for opinions? Are you a sucker?
P.S. - My PG entry received three "it's awful" reviews.
One reviewer's comment stands out: "it sucks - soz!"
This screenplay, however, was a 2nd rounder in Austin's HOF.
Well, I'm not really looking back because of anything happening around here. I was politely hinting that I was helping her clean up around the house. Pack-rat-itus.
Yeah, the marks were A's, with comments like "great dialogue," but the funniest thing was this love letter I wrote to my 7th grade crush. Jeesh, where did I come up with that stuff? (Side note: I found out a few years ago that the fellow ended up being gay.)
D.G. writes "THIMK" when the correct spelling is think.
Bryan writes "eligitimate" when the correct spelling is illegitimate.
Steven writes "Imfamous" when the correct spelling is infamous, and "rootes" when it should be roots.
On 08/11/02 05:52 PM, Bill Mark writes "seperate" when the correct spelling is separate.
Why didn't you catch those errors, buddy?
Didn't you follow that link I gave you?
LOL, I knew someone was going to bite on that one, S.K. His lack of attentiveness was answered, though. ;D
Alrightie then. All I'd like to add is that our educational system is direly lacking.
P.S. - Thank you for the correction.
I think there's much to be said for their target audience. Campaigning for entries via Entertainment Tonight does not exactly state they're looking for veteran writers.
I never even heard of the Nicholl or Austin competitions till I started hanging out on MovieBytes.
Seems to me that if PG were looking for the next big thing, their competition would be promoted in a similar vein as the more reputable ones are.
"Thank you all for your help."
I'd like to think she'd say that.
I remember this guy. Venice Arts has him on their query list, which I utilized to see what would happen.
I apparently received the same response D.G. is aware of.
If you pay us, we'll rewrite your script, so it can sell!
Jeez, I gather you never went out with her?
I don't get what the problem is, Miriam. You've been instructed to send the script in a certain direction. Have you not let go of your original vision?
Uh, go for a walk. Don't look at the ground. Look at the trees, flowers, animals, water, sky, people. Try to find as many colors of the rainbow as you can. When your feet start to hurt, or you get too hot, then take a break. Have a seat, and ask yourself an appropriate question, like "What happens next?" Don't expect the answer to come right away. It'll just hit you. Probably when you least expect it.
When I was a little girl, the scene always ended with Ken and Barbie doing it.
Our personalities are determined by the date and GMT time of our physical birth? And someone in the past somehow knew what those traits were? What college did this person go to? Who was their professor?
You get my drift. Right?
I kind of thought we were out of the Dark Ages, folks.
Anyone stupid enough to be a cow deserves to be eaten.
To date, I've encountered only one (a dairy cow) that possessed the spark of life in her eyes.
Dogs and cats, however, have someone home in there.
So, you can put this in your survey results Steve L.: If the animal is just physical matter (like a chair), I'd probably eat it, unless it's so exotic that I'd not have the opportunity to encounter such an animal and learn firsthand what the skinny is (like shark meat).
You missed out on a good documentary about cats on PBS. The actress from The Birds (I forget her name) has a sanctuary for exotic cats, in California. She did address that although tamed lions, tigers, etc. are to be treated with care, for those that are close to them, it is an honor to be accepted by the feline.
I wonder, though, how you could possibly know what I know, if you've never looked through my eyes? Your evaluation of my conclusion perplexes me. It's like me stating, with authority, your exact thoughts and feelings when you first learned of the WTC attack, or what you felt the first time you ever kissed a girl.
So, you lack the ability to perceive spiritual energy. Assuredly, you are not in a position to state that I am incapable of doing so.
P.S. - Just because you see a human, doesn't mean someone's home in there. I think it's pretty arrogant of you to assign human traits to that which is spiritual.
Yeah, well. After being considered the lowest of the low (centuries ago), actors are having the last laugh.
It's a shame how so many of the more successful ones eventually turn into ungrateful, selfish, and disillusioned creeps.
I hear LSD does wacky things to a person's mind. I'm grateful a relative of mine had the good sense to warn me about it.
I'm pretty satisfied with my conclusion about the cow thing. I'm comfortable with the idea that if the cow's spiritual energy is so low as to go undetected with my level of sensitivity, then there isn't too much there to warrant my living off of veggies and tofu.
You want to go really far with the argument, then there's energy in plants, too. Just not enough for me to feel bad about chopping up a carrot, steaming it, smothering it with butter and salt, and happily scarfing it down. I'll bet the carrot doesn't even know what the hell's going on.
I don't think the term "qualified" is appropriate. A "sensitive" individual does not earn a degree in that field. Sensing and acknowledging a perception is something innately present in all of us. Blame it on mental baggage, if you haven't tapped into it. Horrible things can happen in the womb.
I've never perceived spiritual energy in a fly. I've never hesitated in squashing the germ-bearing nuisance.
The best way I can describe it, Craig, is you've got the Genetic Entity (the body) and you've got the Spiritual Entity (the soul). You can have one exist without the other. When you have both together (like the majority of human beings), you have something that I would not feel comfortable eating.
Don't tell me you've gone goatee.
I hate goatees.
Hmm. You sure like horses, Craig. Would you eat a horse? ;)
The word I wanted was delusional.
Whew. That's a relief.
Whore Presents doesn't list everybody, and it isn't always up-to-the-minute accurate.
I had to find out who a particular actor was in a commercial. I went from the corporate HQ of the product, to the marketing guru, to the producer, to the casting director, who not only gave me the name of the actor (who certainly isn't listed in WP), but she also gave me the name, address, and ph# of his agent. The agent ended up passing the query onto his manager, who then contacted me. But, of course, this wasn't the usual "I gotta script" query.
Thing is, nobody held my hand or told me what to do, because I'm one of those creative types that thinks.
Bottom line is this. Use your noggin and be creative for Christ sake.
And, you know what, actually? I'm so sick of dumbasses popping in with lame ass questions, which indicate that they aren't too bright. It makes me wonder why they even friggin bother. And why I even friggin bother, responding. Or why I even friggin bother with a message board filled with faceless strangers that may or may not deserve assistance.
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