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I always viewed Cowrite as a scam.

I'll have to agree with Ron when he writes: ''If they were so successful as writers, why have they abandoned that to wring the money out of your wallet?''

But I'll be a bit softer and say: ''If they were working and selling, they wouldn't have time to teach classes!''

The first thing you'll need to do is understand story structure. At certain points in a script, certain things must happen and a new act begins. Many teachers believe in different structures techniques, but they all believe there should be an outline as to what the story is about before you type ''fade in.''

Learn structure first. Know when the acts should change. This can be achieved by taking classes and/or reading books. Just depends how fast you want to learn.

Once you learn the structure — don't fall into the trap of paying money for consulting. Consulting is a waste of money.

Serena's Thunder -- what are the chances of reading the script?

Anyone have a link?

TIA

Eric Sentell

I'd rather be unique and write what I want to write — and what I want people to feel&.

Rather than write what other people want me write and what someone else wants people to feel!

One thing I forgot to add....

Once the script is finished -- I'm 100% "pro" -- on sending the script out for "typos and formatting errors"

The people that offer "typos and formatting errors" service is — as far as I'm concerned -- a necessary part of the process!

Jage Halperin

It's great to see a western — I've always enjoyed them!

But — I can see formatting errors. And if I can see the errors— so will the readers!

I always get my scripts proof-read for typos and formatting. I find this service worth the money.

GLTY

Unknown to the writer: the producer of the "death play" changes the final act — creating a new scene in which the writer is set up to be murdered by a death row inmate.

I went into the contest submission process blindly, thinking every contest will get the script into a production company. How naive I was!

I also noticed the contest "report cards" can not be trusted because of manipulation and favoritism.

I'm looking for the screenplay contests that are recognized in the industry. Not the little scams that pop up or the one's that solicit additional business: contests that help kick-start a writers career.

And I wanted to ask everyone what's their opinion of the top ten screenwriting contest?

Emphasis is on — Significance.

Here's where I am to date....

1) Nicholls Fellowship 2) Sundance 3) Screenwriting Expo

Disney — RIP Warner Bros — RIP

Thank you for your help.

;)

Phil Hwang

"I think producers aren't using them much. "



That's what worries me about these types of services.

I must disclose that I never used this service (Inktip). However, I'm alway up for tyring something new.

Anyone else have any comments? Or, talk me into joining?

I knew Blake Snyder was a WGA union member.

But I just noticed this: Jim Mercurio in not a WGA union member.

http://www.wga.org/agency/MemAgency.asp

I too learned my lesson the hard way!

I was scammed by Mexico Mexico IFF and London IFF.

But, I saw through the Las Vegas and Honolulu crap -- just something weird about them.

I also noticed that a lot of scams come out of the UK based operations.

Amsterdam Film Festival -- lol -- thanks for bringing that one up!

Eric Sentell

Pot calling the kettle black!

The phrase "The pot calling the kettle black" is an idiom used to accuse another speaker of hypocrisy, in that the speaker disparages the subject for a fault or negative behavior that could equally be applied to him or her, though there is an alternative interpretation. In former times cast iron pots and kettles were quickly blackened from the soot of the fire. The pot would then be hypocritical to insult the kettle's colour, since both are black with soot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_calling_the_kettle_black

(insert smiley with rolling eyes)

Written by Dan:

Learn structure first. Know when the acts should change. This can be achieved by taking classes and/or reading books. Just depends how fast you want to learn. Once you learn the structure don't fall into the trap of paying money for consulting. Consulting is a waste of money.

Written by Eric:

You're welcome to your opinion but are you a working writer? Have you achieved success without professional help? I'd think twice about slamming consultants and teachers like Blake and Jim.

Written by Dan:

I'd rather be unique and write what I want to write and what I want people to feel. Rather than write what other people want me write and what someone else wants people to feel!

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Eric,

I believe the above is self-explanatory. But, if not, I did not say taking Jim or Blake's class was...wrong! Further, I believe I'm entitled to have my own opinion, which is -- I think consulting is a waste of money. And let us not forget, consulting comes from after talking the class!

In addition, there appears to be some core issues you need to relive. I heard hypmothereapy does wonders in bringing out the inner self.

As far as your ''hokey-pokey'' comment — my, oh my! Your true self is shining brightly today!

Ps. You're not a WGA union member either. I guess you'll require further ''consulting.''

Irin,

As for your thank you...no problem! If you would like the words to the poem, "the pot calling the kettle black,'' I'll be happy to provide those as well. In fact, I heard there's a heavy metal song, if you're into that!

Just like you, I have never used Jim's service(s). In fact, I didn't know who Jim was until this thread was started.

Within this thread, I expressed my opinion, that I believe (script) consulting was a waste of money. And added that I believe ''typos and formatting'' is a necessity.

Jim is posting on a message board. In addition, Jim is argumentative with those that do not show him a favorable position.

Jim offers a free service (to me) as a counter argument. And asked that I share such (critique, proofread, formatting, etc.) with the board. You know, a little ''pump'' of what someone has to offer.

Now, doing so would entail that I provide information about myself to Jim. The name of my project (script pages), IP address (e-mail), name and address (copyright), etc. You know -- all those little things that people like to keep private from internet message boards.

As it stands, I already have a great company that checks for ''typos and formatting.'' In addition, I have paid two WGA union members for consulting, and found out it was a waste of money. But I'm not going to plug their names in this argument.

Here's a word for you --

Tomfool: " a fool: a person who lacks good judgment " a silly or stupid person; silly or stupid.

Who, now, would be the tomfool?

1) The person offering free services with a hidden agenda?

2) The person not wanting to disclose personal information?

3) Or the person who has to say their piece, with the use of a little mindset, to help the first person achieve their -- agenda?

Worry? __ LOL

I guess you don't like it when I call the kettle black. And may I suggest — next time -- mind your own business!

BTW — congratulations on BlueCat

Come on, Paula Smith, cut the crap! I've been a member of Moviebytes since 11/15/2008. And I'll add that passing judgment by the weight of someone's tenure is an obstacle to anyone's creativity!

BTW -- one does not have to be an "expert" in forming his/her opinions. Usually, opinions are formed by one's beliefs and decisions -- except on this message board.

Okay! Thank you, Jack and Irin.

1) Nichols

2) Sundance

3) PAGE

4) Austin

5) Bluecat

6) Zoetrope

7) Final Draft

8) Scriptapalooza

9) Script Savvy

10) Screenwriting Expo



Anyone else want to add?

Thanks!

Eric,

LOL -- I see you plugged in Barb Doyon again. He/she isn't even a topic of discussion.

Go back through my posts, and I'm hoping, you'll have the ability to understand:

1) I'm pro -- for people to take classes (and read books) when learning technique and structure. Even if they end up choosing Blake or Jim, I'm pro!

2) I'll go a step further, and say, I'm pro -- in people taking a next level class. A great example is Blake Snyder: he offers a ''Beat Sheet Workshop'' and offers a ''Board Master Class.'' I don't know what Jim offers, nor am I interested in knowing.

After someone completes the above, one should have an outline of their script, with scenes, index card, and ready to type the words ''Fade In.''

3) What I'm against, is -- after the script is written -- paying a consultant to read the script and provide feedback. Of which correlates to when I wrote: ''I'd rather be unique and write what I want to write and what I want people to feel -- rather than write what other people want me to write and what someone else wants people to feel!''

4) I'm pro -- after the final draft has been written -- in paying a fee for ''typos and formatting.''

That's how I feel about the subject. And that's why I wrote ''consulting'' is a waste of money, of which, I have learned from personal experience!



As for Jim Mercurio: I knew nothing about this person until he replied to this thread. From reading his replies, a red flag popped up. What that means is -- I'm not interested in doing business with Jim, even when the services are free. And that's just my opinion!

As for Blake Snyder: he's a WGA union member. The first book I read was ''Save the Cat!'' I thought the book was great. I also thought ''Writing the Picture,'' by Russin and Downs, was excellent.Similar structure in both books. Not exact, but similar. And that's just my opinion!

As for Barb Doyon: one credit on IMDB and not a WGA union member. I've never heard of this person. But I guarantee you one thing -- because you keep plugging this name, I'll never use any service this person has to offer. And that's just my opinion!



Who I paid to learn the trade is none of your business. But what I will tell you is this: the people I learned from are WGA union members. They're expensive, but worth the money (to learn the basics). The people I paid for the consulting, are, WGA union members.

So, to conclude this, hopefully, last post I'm making on this subject — it's your money, spend it as you wish. Just like it's my money, and I'll spend it like I wish!

Consulting fees are a waste of money. And that's just my opinion!

John — Janet — Irin

The input is what I needed to know.

Thank you.

The -- 2009 Screenwriting Expo — can now be submitted through WAB.

I was about to click away and enter — when I remembered a few people mentioned they had problems with the contest.

I've never submitted to this contest before.

What are your opinions? __ Yes? __ No?

Thanks

Here's a few that popped up--



Underneath the Tree Bark.

Pealing Away the Bark.

Turning the stone.

Stepping Into Salvation.

Running Away From Salvation.

Remembering the Whispering Trees.

Thank you, Karen.

I see what you're saying. I did a search and I came up with the below.

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My name is Pasha Mckenley and I am the new contest Manager at Creative Screenwriting Magazine. On behalf of Creative Screenwriting Magazine, I would like to apologize for that. I assure you, the 2008 AAA Screenplay Competition contest will be run efficiently!

Erik Bauer here, founding publisher and editor of Creative Screenwriting and the guy who created the Screenwriting Expo.

AAA 'Access Acclaim Achievement' Screenplay Contest

Yes they are, Irin.

Different contests run by the same company.

************************************************************

The Screenwriting Expo and Creative Screenwriting Magazine -- Contact Information

Address: 6404 Hollywood Blvd., Suite 415, Los Angeles CA 90028

Phone: (800) 727-6978 or (323) 957-1405 Fax: (323) 957-1406

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AAA Screenplay Contest

c/o Creative Screenwriting

6404 Hollywood Blvd., Suite 415, Los Angeles, CA 90028

Erik Bauer,

I did a search and picked up your quote from last week:

Author: Erik Bauer II Posted: 04/16/09 03:29 PM Erik Bauer here, founding publisher and editor of Creative Screenwriting and the guy who created the Screenwriting Expo.



I'm not interested in whether or not you're involved -- I'm pointing out the relationship between the two contests.

Thanks for your input.

d. santiago

Yes, just the contest.

I was going to enter my scripts and I wanted to get some feedback.

Thanks, everyone, for the input.

I'm in -- BUT

My goal is to JUST make it to the semis.

I'm reading that people who make it to the semi's gets reading requests.

"Ordinarily, I am not a fan of horror because I tend to root for the bad guy as I think the people being bumped off are stupid and the human race would be better off without them breeding.:

LOL -- That made me laugh --Thanks!

I saw TRANSFORMERS yesterday.

There were quite a few times that I was bored -- the story dragging -- but that ended when the action started (or started back up). I thought originality lacked at times -- using what worked in the past with other films.

Will it be a hit? Yes! Will it make a lot of money? Yes!

Just my opinion -- overall, I'll give it a "B."

I didn't know how successful the first movie was -- $708 million worldwide

Tranformers (2007)

It is the thirtieth most successful film released and the fifth most successful of 2007, grossing approximately US$708 million worldwide. The film won four awards from the Visual Effects Society and was nominated for three Academy Awards. The film became the first in a series, it revitalized media interest in the franchise, and a sequel Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen was released on June 24, 2009.

Transformers (2009)

Revenge of the Fallen achieved the highest Wednesday opening gross in history, bringing in $60.6 million in North America alone and close to $100 million worldwide; this is also the second-highest opening day gross of all time, behind only The Dark Knight's $67.8 million.



Something tells me the writers are going to get some nice residual checks!

;-)

Janet Hogate

I don't know how much were the production costs of the first movie -- nor do I want to take the time to dig it up. But let's say it's 50% of the second movie costs (which I highly doubt) -- saying the first movie cost $100 million to make.

The first movie would have profited $608 million.

If they use $200 million of theat $608 million profit to make a second movie -- the studio still has an overall profit of $408 million.

Any proceeds received from the second movie will increase profit.



As Joesph disclosed about the second movie -- the first week grossed $390 million.

$408 million plus $390million equals $798 million.

Any revenues generated from the second movie is profit. And their only in the first week release of the second movie.

Now, these numbers are not exact and there's always Murphy's Law that can/could increase costs -- but you cane see the numbers reflect spending $200 million dollars on the second movie didn't cost the Studio anything. The Studio used profits to make the second movie.

Makes sense?

Script Pimp Screenwriting Competition.

I'd appreciate it if people can give me their input on this contest.

Thanks for you help.

A lot of my questions were answered in last years thread.

http://www.moviebytes.com/messageboard.cfm?action=DisplayMessages&topic=5610&showall=TRUE

Try this link

http://pageawards.com/2009-quarter-finalists/

I copied the winners.

Download this excel file.

http://rapidshare.com/files/250877698/Book1.xls.html

This link doesn't require a downlaod

http://viewer.zoho.com/docs/j4dbaI

Disney still has the television contests, if your interested.

http://www.disneyabctalentdevelopment.com/programs/programs_writings.html

I see how this contests works now....

No Quarterfinalists ---- No Semi-Finalists

Pick twenty (20) scripts for the finals.

And iy doing so, eliminates the cost of, or time to, read each script again as the contest progresses.

People should dig a little deeper and know the history of any person/organization they end up choosing.

And no, I'm not going to single this down and point fingers.

But what I will say on this subject — you'll always get what you paid for!

Nick,

Same things happened to me!

Good luck to you!

Yvonne,

What screen-writing program do you use?

Most programs have their own PDF converter.

I have Final Draft too.

I created a "sub-file" in "Documents" and when I do a PDF -- I save it to the "sub-file."

BUT -- I don't have a MAC and I'm not sure how FD works with the MAC.

I don't know about anyone else, but...

Every month my writing changes -- additional humor, not so on the nose, action instead of words, etc.

I knew I had to go back and update a few scripts, clean things up. But I went ahead and sent them in to the contest -- get a feel of where I'm at, what works, and doesn't work.

Sure enough -- my feedbacks nailed what I knew was wrong, and areas that I didn't have a clue.

Overall -- feedback's worth the money.

13th Annual Fade In Award

The entry deadline for the screenplay contest was November 30, 2008.

Quarterfinals were to be announced March 31, 2009.

There's been nothing -- nothing on this contest since the announcement of the quarterfinalists.



They're already accepting submissions for the -- 14th Annual Fade In Awards

*** Finalists of the 2009 Fade In Awards will be announced March 31, 2010. Over $15,000 in prizes will be awarded thereafter, including the Grand Prize and up to 19 finalists — (must) be postmarked no later than October 31, 2009. ***

What's the story on this contest?

Thanks.

Why start a new contest, when the last one's not finished?

The readers should be working on the old contest scripts (13th award), selecting the semifinalists/finalists/winners — not the current contest scripts (14th award).

LOL

Congratulations -- Ron and Irin!

Those that submitted their scripts early -- after receiving the script notes -- had the opportunity to resubmit a corrected script for an additional $35 dollars.

I received the analysis, made the corrections, and resubmitted my script.

Resubmits are also qualified to receive — a second analysis.

My second analysis had a completely different set of ''what's wrong and needs to be corrected.''

Will I ever enter this contest again? ----- No!

They're sending out e-mails to people that didn't make it.

"Now that scores have been tallied for all 6,380 entries, we have to inform too many writers of scripts featuring compelling stories, intriguing characters and excellent craft that they have not advanced into the next round. Regrettably, xxxxxx was not one of the 321 entries selected as a Quarterfinalist in the 2009 Nicholl Fellowships in Screenwriting."

Anyone know the ingredients to make ice cubes?

How long in the oven?

Thanks

;)

The -- Sundance Institute Feature Film Program - 2010 January Screenwriters Lab

They're sending out notices.

Check your e-mail -- my notice was in my spam box.

No -- I didn't advance.

They just came about an 40 minutes ago. One was in the spam folder -- the other went through (regular).

Did you advance, Irin?

Anyone know a great Logline and Synopsis person?

I don't care about the cost -- I'm the type of person that believes people get what they pay for.

Thanks in advance for your reply.

Mr., Hoffman.

How many undiscovered screenwriter slipped through your fingers, unrecognized by BlueCat, and the person ended up being a success?

Mr. Hoffman,

I guess you can say -- what happened didn't follow along a line of -- consistency.

If a reader gives advice in what doesn't work, and it states in the BlueCat analysis email contestants can make changes and resubmit for an additional $35.00 dollars -- naturally a person will want to correct the mistakes and reenter the script (for an additional $35.00 dollars).

But when the second analysis is returned on the corrected script detailing additional areas that needs work -- why wasn't the problem highlighted in the first analysis?

As long as contests use different readers on a resubmit -- there's going to be -- inconsistency.

I know you're using the analysis as a tool to help screenwriters — but maybe your resubmit policy should be looked over to correct any internal discrepancies.

I'd like to know Stephen's info too.

After reading a discussion about this contest I decided to stay away.



AAA (Access, Acclaim, Achievement) Screenplay Contest ----- c/o Creative Screenwriting ----- 6404 Hollywood Blvd., Suite 415 ----- Los Angeles, CA 90028

Creative Screen Writing, Ltd. ----- 6404 Hollywood Blvd., Suite 415 ----- Hollywood, CA 90028

Nature of Business:

This company's business is providing a publishing screen writing magazine, annual screen writing expos, production of educational dvd's on screen writing and running screen writing contests.

Nobody has any recommendations?

A company that'll read a script and write up a logline and synopsis?

Gordy and Jim

LMAO

Good luck to both of you!

Paula,

I don't mind paying a company to get it done. And in doing so I'll be able to learn from them.

I've seen a few companies that offer the service -- but I figured someone here knows a great company.

Thanks for the reply.

Gordy,

"At this point, next year, we will clearly lay out what this process is. More importantly, we will ask the writer if they want the same reader or different reader, and if we can't provide the SAME reader, we will contact the writer first, and refund if they choose to not use a different reader."

That's fair.

Thank you!

Jim, Amanda and Nick — thank you. I'll check the out.

Jim and Nick —Yes, I need to learn. But getting some input from a third party and formulating their ideas into mine will help (me) quite a bit.

FEATURES GRAND PRIZE WINNER

Without Consent Roberta Rovner Pieczenik Semifinlalist

Phineas Gage Dillon Euler

2ND PLACE WINNER Benazir Muhammad Ali Hasan

3rd PLACE WINNER Handicapped Spaces Clinton Braly & Jim Braly, MD

TOP TEN FINALISTS

1) Alva Alex Lyras & Michael Dorian

2) International Waters Stephen Gill

3) The Dark Artist of Paris John Crawford

4) The Triangle Patrick McNair & Eric Thompson

5) Endangered Mark Elliot Kratter 6) In Case of Emery Tricia Ingraham 7) Final Status Timothy Jay Smith 8) Marathon Julia Aaryn Montanez & Teddy Panopoulos 9)The Battle of New Orleans Jason Ginsburg

10) Theory of Everything Alon Aranya 2009 BEST OPENING WINNERS FIRST PLACE 2,000 Miles by Jeff Goldstone SECOND PLACE Double Take by Nickelous Allen

THIRD PLACE The Battle of New Orleans by Jason Ginsburg

I'll try that again

FEATURES GRAND PRIZE WINNER -- Without Consent -- Roberta Rovner Pieczenik Semifinlalist -- Phineas -- Gage Dillon Euler

2ND PLACE WINNER -- Benazir -- Muhammad Ali Hasan

3rd PLACE WINNER -- Handicapped Spaces -- Clinton Braly & Jim Braly, MD

TOP TEN FINALISTS

1) Alva -- Alex Lyras & Michael Dorian

2) International Waters -- Stephen Gill

3) The Dark Artist of Paris -- John Crawford

4) The Triangle -- Patrick McNair & Eric Thompson

5) Endangered -- Mark Elliot Kratter 6) In Case of Emery -- Tricia Ingraham 7) Final Status -- Timothy Jay Smith 8) Marathon -- Julia Aaryn Montanez & Teddy Panopoulos 9)The Battle of New Orleans -- Jason Ginsburg

10) Theory of Everything -- Alon Aranya

2009 BEST OPENING WINNERS FIRST PLACE -- 2,000 Miles -- by Jeff Goldstone SECOND PLACE -- Double Take -- by Nickelous Allen

THIRD PLACE -- The Battle of New Orleans -- by Jason Ginsburg

If this one doesn't come out correct -- sorry, I tried.



FEATURES GRAND PRIZE WINNER -- Without Consent -- Roberta Rovner Pieczenik

Semifinlalist -- Phineas -- Gage Dillon Euler

2ND PLACE WINNER -- Benazir -- Muhammad Ali Hasan

3rd PLACE WINNER -- Handicapped Spaces -- Clinton Braly & Jim Braly, MD



TOP TEN FINALISTS

1) Alva -- Alex Lyras & Michael Dorian

2) International Waters -- Stephen Gill

3) The Dark Artist of Paris -- John Crawford

4) The Triangle -- Patrick McNair & Eric Thompson

5) Endangered -- Mark Elliot Kratter

6) In Case of Emery -- Tricia Ingraham

7) Final Status -- Timothy Jay Smith

8) Marathon -- Julia Aaryn Montanez & Teddy Panopoulos

9)The Battle of New Orleans -- Jason Ginsburg

10) Theory of Everything -- Alon Aranya



2009 BEST OPENING WINNERS

FIRST PLACE -- 2,000 Miles -- by Jeff Goldstone

SECOND PLACE -- Double Take -- by Nickelous Allen

THIRD PLACE -- The Battle of New Orleans -- by Jason Ginsburg

"All Is Lost is the place where mentors go to die, presumably so their students can discover, 'they had it in them all along.' The mentor's death clears the way to prove that."

Thank you -- Julia!

LOL -- Jim Mercurio?

Who are you trying to kid?

Section 3 (A)

Writer hereby grants CSC and any CSC Associates a limited nonexclusive worldwide license to use, copy and display the Material for the purpose of evaluating it for coverage, judging it in the screenwriting competition, and/or, at CSC's sole option, publicizing scripts or their associated screenwriters that have had some success in the competition; provided however that:

Section 4

Writer understands and agrees that CSC and CSC Associates may use in any fashion, no matter how similar to the Material and/or any elements or aspects thereof, any works that are: (a) independently developed by CSC or any CSC Associates without reference to the Material; (b) otherwise made available to CSC by some third party; (c) neither original with Writer(s), nor new, unique, concrete, novel; and/or (d) in the public domain (individually or collectively, the ''Works'').

Section 11

Writer may not assign Writer's rights and/or obligations pursuant to this Agreement, in whole or part, without the prior written consent of CSC; provided, however, that all such assignees, licensees or successors-in-interest shall assume, via a written instrument, the original party's duties to comply with the terms herein.

Jim,

I never knew who you were -- until the time you offered your service for free.

I didn't know -- you were once involved with ''LA Expo'' until another poster pointed it out.

I highly doubt you received three e-mails of people claiming to know who I am. But if so, who cares.

No, we've never had a business relationship in the past (or present).

Don't hesitate to ask should you have further questions.

Jim,

Re: ''Our one and final deadline extension is over at midnight on Monday, Aug 10. ~~ Probably my last post until I announce quarterfinalists.''

That's too bad.

I was hoping you would've explained a bit the intent of section 11 in the terms and agreements.



Section 11

Writer may not assign Writer's rights and/or obligations pursuant to this Agreement, in whole or part, without the prior written consent of CSC; provided, however, that all such assignees, licensees or successors-in-interest shall assume, via a written instrument, the original party's duties to comply with the terms herein.





Good luck!

WriteMovies is like any other form of business — they're out to make a profit. That's why they have more than one contest per year.

Those that run the contest are professional and courteous. But I don't know if they're the owners or employee.

Back in February 2009 I checked them out. WriteMovies is a subsidiary of a larger organization.

ROSS WW MEDIA 11444 Washington Blvd. Suite C-227, Los Angeles, CA 90066

Rosswwmedia owns the following companies -- WriteMovies.com: *** aTalentScout.com: *** ProductionConsulting.com *** IdeaToSale.com:



Congratulations on making the Semi's!

I'm taking for granted this person resides in Los Angeles County (LAC).

The LAC District Attorney has a division set up to investigate fraud in the motion picture industry.

California Law prohibits anyone from soliciting money as a promise for employment.

This person is using a different technique -- he's saying "use his services" before he "accepts you" into his "conglomerate."

You should file a complaint with LAC District Attorney.

I need a little help.

I use the ''Screenwriters Bible'' for reference but I can't find anything about script formatting when it comes to using a HOLOGRAM.

Example:



Let's say this sentence you're reading right now is my action. A person reaches into their pocket and pulls out a small device, hits a button and —

HALOGRAM — THE DREAM HOUSE

rotates in circles above the table.

BACK TO SCENE The newlyweds gaze at the hologram of their dream house.





Can anyone help me out?

Thanks.

Damn! -- let me try that again.



Let's say this sentence you're reading right now is my action. A person reaches into their pocket and pulls out a small device, hits a button and

HALOGRAM THE DREAM HOUSE

rotates in circles above the table.

BACK TO SCENE

The newlyweds gaze at the hologram of their dream house.

LOL -- never copy and paste into moviebytes - the systen sucks.



Let's say this sentence you're reading right now is my action. A person reaches into their pocket and pulls out a small device, hits a button and --

HALOGRAM - THE DREAM HOUSE

rotates in circles above the table.

BACK TO SCENE

The newlyweds gaze at the hologram of their dream house.

Thank you!

Thanks

The market's small on musicals. Especially for someone who only has one musical script to their name.

Do you ever plan on writing another script that's not a musical?

Congratulations

From the Cinema City International Film Festival

http://www.cciff.com/Finalists.htm

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FINALISTS For The September 2009 Event

CONGRATULATIONS to our first group of Finalists!

Irin,

When that Pasha person wrote: "All sales are final so there are no refunds."

This person is wrong.

I'm not sure what regulation of California Law this resides, but a consumer has a right to request a refund as long as the services have not been performed (or return the merchandise purchased).

As in this case, since Expo intended the deadline, Expo breached their contract and all contestants have a right to request a refund.

Is the entry fee worth the headache and/or taking the Expo to small claims court? That question can only be answered by each individual.

Los Angeles County doesn't allow "scams" to be operated in the motion picture industry. I'm not calling Expo a scam — I'm saying the Los Angeles District Attorney operates a division that handles the movie industry.

If Expo is telling their contestants that "all sales are final" and they're requesting "more money" to correct the problem — you have a rightful complaint and the DA's Office will look into this activity further.

Will anyone be arrested over this? No! — But I'm sure it will make Expo work with clean hands in the future.



FWIW — I wasn't going to enter Expo because of what people have written about their past experiences. But I decided on Sunday to give it a shot and sent one in.

If you submitted through WAB (Withoutabox) — let them know what happened. WAB has a strong with these contests and can demand that WAB membership receive certain rights.

Karen Barnett — Nonrefundable deposits are against the law in California. The California Consumer Protection Law protects those that are mislead by false advertising and manipulated business practices.

If someone is violating the law, why do you condone the activity?





Terry Frazier — The Expo is not a screenwriting contest. The Expo is a convention. A convention of classes, lectures, booths, materials to acquire — just like any other convention (cars, boats, home improvements, etc. etc.).

There's a cost for admission into the Expo — and an additional fee for whatever speaker/class someone wanted to take.

Karen,

Don't mix apples with oranges. Stick to the facts. Especially when it deals with contract law!

1) The contest deadline was advertised to end August 23rd.

2) Irin submitted his screenplay based upon the advertised deadline.

3) After the deadline came and went, Expo decided to extend the deadline.

4) Irin contacted Expo right after the extension was disclosed.

5) Expo told Irin that it'll cost him another entry fee to submit his revised script.

Those are the facts.

As long as Irin contacted Expo within a reasonable time after his submission, his entry fee is a deposit until Expo fulfills their end of the agreement — which is have the script evaluated by the readers — and that has not been done (yet).

The ethical business decision would've been to put Irin's submission to the side and allow him to send in his revised script.

It was an unethical business decision by Expo to tell Irin he'll have to pay another entry fee. That's a violation of consumer protection.



Terry Frazier,

Since you know what Expo entails, I'll get straight to the point. Stop whining!

LMAO!

I write for fun, as a hobby.

I don't expect to sell a script, nor do I need to sell one.

I laugh at the pretentious.

And those that have been scammed by the con-artists have my sympathy!









Does my logline work?

;)

I was curious and looked on Moviebytes -- you're right! Moviesbytes removed the contest notification (information).

I checked the website and they're up and running for the 2010 contest.



Here's the link for the 2009 winners.

http://www.beverlyhillsfilmfestival.com/gallery2009_1.php

The Golden Palm Screenplay Competition Award went to Paul De Leonardo for Europia 2050.

The first runner up award went to Alek S. Carrera and Daniel Fanaberia for "Why We Live."

The second runner up award went to Choices I-The Reunion, by writer James Kirtland.

Irin,

I thought you made the Nicholl list this year?

Or am I mistaken and it's Sundance?

Posted: 08/31/09 05:16 PM by Terry Frazier -- "Evie, that's the most asinine remark I've seen on this board in months. "

When was the last time someone called you an a$$hole, Terry?

Terry, the answer to the question is -- "09/01/09 at 07:37 AM."

Stop whining, Terry!

Kiss-ass slut!

Irin,

What happened with your submission?

Did they work with you?

Or did they tell you there's nothing they could do to help?



BTW ~~ the link below is the Better Business Bureau website for ~~ Inside Information Group, Ltd.

http://www.la.bbb.org/Business-Report/Inside-Information-Group-Ltd-100021631

Looks like this is the legal entity behind the Expo (and many other faces), and is also a member of the BBB.

Someone mentioned the contest was hit with a record number of submissions and any dates previously stated for release of the quarter/semi/finalist have been postponed — and to keep an eye on the website.

They just finished the ''shorts'' contest and are working on the "screenplays."

The below pertains to — shorts -- and shows the September screenplay award ceremony is still planned for September.

http://www.slamdance.com/writing/short.html

''THE TOP FIVE FINALISTS WILL BE HONORED AT THE 2009 SCREENPLAY COMPETITION AWARDS CEREMONY IN SEPTEMBER 2009 AND WILL RECEIVE PRIZE PACKAGES.''

October 7th now?

LOL

I hope no one made reservations.

Congratulations to those on the list.

http://www.austinfilmfestival.com/new/files/second_rounders_list.pdf

How did I find the list?

I Googled "Irin Evers" and I came up with three (3) pages of conest winners. __ ;)



A friend found out when they were going to release the info -- and emailed me the link.

I know I'm going to hear lip after expressing my opinion, but —

Why take script advice from someone who has been a failure in the industry?

Get a second opinion because --

Barb Doyon has been in the business for over ten year and is not a WGA union member. In order to be a WGA union member, one must first sell a script. That means Barb has not sold a script (a script that allows her to join WGA).



Barb Doyon has only one credit on IMDB over her illustrious ten year career as a writer: Terminal Trap (2009) (in production).

The name of the production company is called: Extreme Screen Pics, LLC. Check out the links:

http://go4funding.net/Controversial-Reality-TV-Series-Seeks-Funding/P9814.html

http://www.gigslist.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1418

Barbara Doyon = Extreme Screen Pics, LLC



Here's a little more about Extreme Screen Pics, LLC --

Slade -- Written by: Jean Hunter -- Extreme Screenplay (First Place, Drama category)

Lady Jazz -- Written by: Jean Hunter -- Extreme Screenplay (Finalist, Top 5 scripts entered)

Serena's Thunder -- Written by: Jean Hunter -- Extreme Screenplay (Semifinalist)

''Extreme Screen Pics is casting SAG talent for Serena's Thunder, a Native-American family-themed feature about an orphaned girl and her estranged Indian grandfather and how they overcome their differences while training a horse named Thunder for a prestigious Native American Heritage Race.''

http://backstage.blogs.com/blogstage/2009/05/west-coast-casting-highlights-51909.html



Getting back to the point —

I wouldn't take too much heed into what Barb Doyon has to say about scriptwriting. So far, she has failed (personally) as a writer.

But she is smart enough to see a business opportunity and created Extreme Screenwriting and now —

She's picking up the talent in her new production company.



Get a second opinion before you start changing your script.

Janet,

"James Bruner and Elizabeth Stevens are a husband-and-wife writing and producing team ...."

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0116145/

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1047463/

Thank you! __ I'll give them a try when I start my next project.

Terry,

As far as I'm concerned: there are those that have made WGA and those that have not. Those that have made it -- hold a greater weight than those that haven't. Especially after ten years of attempts.

I don't like plugging people's names and I won't. But check out Janet's recommendation (ScriptMentors.com) and you'll get a feeling of the market rates from established WGA union members.

Patrick,

Learn to recognize ''fluff'' and you'll hit the nail on the head.



06/16/2002 --TalentScout Announces TV -- Honorable mention -- Doyon, Barbara; JAG: "TWIN SIGHTINGS"

01/17/2005 -- 20/20 Announces Contest Finalists -- Barb Doyon "Questa"

01/31/2005 -- Open Door Contest Announces First Round Finalists -- Barb Doyon, Questa, thriller

07/31/2006 -- Scriptapalooza Announces Semifinalists -- American Alligator by Barb Doyon

Thomas,

Re: ''.... typos I will cop to ....''

Did Barb give you any recommendations for proofreading?



Re: ''I believe a writer should take criticism from whoever wants to give it.''

So do I!

But I'd rather have that criticism from someone who ventured down the yellow brick road.

Not someone still trying to find the trailhead!

Patrick,

You wrote __ "I just think this statement of yours is unfair."

It's just my opinion after evaluating her environment.

GLTY

Patrick,

http://www.wga.org/agency/MemAgency.asp

If you find her name, let me know.

Until then, fluff is fluff!

GLTY

Barb,

''Here's a brief list of my so-called 'failures': 14 TV episodes sold, 2 TV Pilots sold (WB), pending sale to Lifetime for Women and a First-Look Directorial Deal with Universal Studios.''

You should file a complaint with WGA because someone stole your signatory credits.

The words ''first-look'' and ''right-of-first-refusal'' have different meanings in my book.

And please don't take it personally if I choose to pay the big bucks to get it right from a WGA member!

GLTY

Walter,

Everything's subjective. And that's okay with me (because everyone's allowed to have their opinion).

But I like to stick to the facts.



In your second paragraph you had many questions about the WGA ''Find a Writer'' link.

These two people were mentioned by Janet in an earlier post: James Bruner and Elizabeth Stevens of Scriptmetors.

Using the WGA link I confirm they're both WGA union writers, but have no agency.

Copy and paste this link -- http://viewer.zoho.com/docs/jXlcbg

I hope the information in the above link answers the questions in your second paragraph. If not, get back with me and I'll do a rewrite (lol) and try another approach.



I hope the following sums up clarity on my part. And remember, this is my ''subjective'' opinion and is directed at the public (in general): ___ I'd rather get constructive analysis from someone who made it rather than someone who hasn't. Because there's a reason why a person never made it and bad habits are contagious!

LOL

Thanks for the laugh, Heather.

And that goes to the rest of the cheerleaders as well!

I'm driving up on Friday.

Anyone want to meet me?

;)

http://www.cciff.com/Winners.htm

CHAMPION SCREENWRITING COMPETITION RELEASE STATEMENT TO WHICH EVERYONE SUBMITTING ANY SCRIPT(S) MUST AGREE TO ADHERE

11. Writer may not assign Writer's rights and/or obligations pursuant to this Agreement, in whole or part, without the prior written consent of CSC; provided, however, that all such assignees, licensees or successors-in-interest shall assume, via a written instrument, the original party's duties to comply with the terms herein.

INT. MASSAGE PARLOR - NIGHT

Yvonne gets a message from a well handed hunk.

She falls asleep.

LATER

that night Yvonne awakes and wears men's briefs.

Her hands hurt for some unknown reason.

Yvonne,

Re: so which is it?

Either way is fine.

Yvonne — LOL

"Dan -- stop looking through my windows, for heaven sakes. Later, your briefs were to big. And it was my toes that were sore. Thanks I think.''



INT. MASSAGE PARLOR - NIGHT

Yvonne gets a message from a well handed hunk.

She falls asleep.

LATER

that night Yvonne awakes and wears oversized men's briefs.

Her hands hurt for some unknown reason.

YVONNE

feels the prickle on her neck, as if someone watches her through the window -- outside.

DAN

looks through the window, and ducks quickly as Yvonne turns her head — he was not seen.

YVONNE SLIDES

herself to the edge of the table and stands on her feet. The oversized men's briefs fall to her ankles — exposing a nicely curved tush.

Yvonne wiggles her toes in pain around the oversized underwear.

EXT. MASSAGE PARLOR — AT THE WINDOW — MOMENTS LATER

Dan looks through the window at a naked Yvonne. He wears no shirt.

The skin on his back shows toe-nail indentation and red footprints — as if someone was dancing on his back.

He leans back and twists his torso — POPS as he cracks his back.

He again looks through the window at a naked Yvonne — and a devlish grim pops up.

INT. MASSAGE PARLOR — MOMENTS LATER

Dan looks through the window and has a devlish grin.

Yvonne wears her jeans, and her back's toward the window.

Yvonne pulls a small makeup mirror from her purse, and sees Dan watches her through the window.

Yvonne flips Dan the bird.

INT. MASSAGE PARLOR - NIGHT

Yvonne gets a message from a well handed hunk. She falls asleep.



INT./EXT. - MASSAGE PARLOR - NIGHT - LATER

Yvonne awakes and wears oversized men's briefs. Her hands hurt for some unknown reason. She feels the prickle on her neck, as if someone watches her through the window -- outside.

Dan looks through the window, and ducks quickly as Yvonne turns her head — he was not seen.

Yvonne slides herself to the edge of the table and stands on her feet. The oversized men's briefs fall to her ankles, exposing a nicely curved tush. She wiggles her toes in pain around the oversized underwear.

Dan looks through the window at a naked Yvonne. He wears no shirt. The skin on his back shows toe-nail indentations and red footprints, as if someone was dancing on his back. He leans back and twists his torso — POPS as he cracks his back.

Dan again looks through the window at a naked Yvonne — and a devlish grim pops up.

Yvonne wears her jeans, and her back's toward the window. She pulls a small makeup mirror from her purse, and in the mirror reflection is Dan as he watches her through the window. She flips him the bird.





This is a fun scene.

I think the guy's FOS!

DAN GOMEZ SELLS FIRST SCRIPT FOR SIX FIGURES

That's right, folks!

A signatory production company just bought my first script for six figures!

Four (4) months ago I incorporated a business with the Secretary of State and I classified the business as a production company.

The name of the production company is called: Movie-Biters First Pitch, Inc.

As the 100% stockholder, I voted myself as the sole board member and director.

One of my fist duties, as a board member, was to approve the corporation to become ''signatory'' with all appropriate unions (SAG, AFTRA, WGA, DG, etc).

I then approved a board resolution to acquire ''Dan Gomez's First Script.''

That's the title of the script — ''Dan Gomez's First Script'' — because I like my name up in lights.

In fact, my second script will be called ''Dan Gomez's Second Script'' and I'll approve the acquisition of that script as well.

As compensation for the script, I received preferred stock and a six figured check. I loaned the company six figures, then the company paid me — six figures. Rather than go through the hustle with the banks, we just swapped checks.

As soon as the stock-market gets healthy and my stocks are no longer in the red, I plan on using some of the proceeds to issue a press release. I wasn't too sure what advertising agency to use (Hollywoodreporter, Variety, Reuters, Marketwire). I'll have to do some DD on the costs.

I'm going to start a consulting company. As soon as my website is up __ www.DanGomez/givemeyourmoney.com -- I'll be open for script analysis. My fees are reasonable, and well under market from other WGA members.

I'm also planning on starting a screenplay contest. The cost is $50.00 dollars to enter and a $49.99 resubmit fee.

Sincerely,

Dan Gomez

''Think before you jump!''

Terry,

Your first post on Moviebytes was on 02/02/00 — almost ten years ago.



If you haven't made a WGA Union writer in that amount of time —

-- when are you going to face reality?

Stephen,

Re: ''Setting up your own production company, lending it money, and then paying yourself. See, that's a 'circular process'? There's no "new money" being added into your pocket''

It was a joke. That's why I didn't cloud up your thread!

As we say in America — it's a free country. And stop thinking unconstitutional!

I know I won't be here 10 years from now, Terry. And everything's in jest -- remember that!



Stephon, you're violating my constitutional right to free speech. Go back to your fish-n-chips!

Terry, you're a scam artist as well?

Screenplay Contest Book by Terry Frazier -- Published in May 1998

http://openlibrary.org/b/OL12177344M/Screenplay_Contest_Book

Writer's Aide Screenplay Contest Newsletter, which tries to list all existing competitions.

http://articles.latimes.com/1998/jun/12/entertainment/ca-59008

Scamming from naïve, gullible wannabe screenwriters? Anything to make a buck, right Terry?



LMAO — you're a pathetic little POS, Terry!

Patrick Daly,

I think you should get your head out of your ass and call the -- WGAw Agency Department at 323.782.4502

Take a break from the blow jobs and check up on your mentor — you'll find quickly that she's another scammer!

Stephen,

I know you Brits have a different sense of humor, but you should've picked up it was a joke when I named the company: Movie-Biters First Pitch, Inc.

And yes, I'm saying the article is FOS! But that's just my opinion -- ¿Comprende?

Joseph Kenny — Thank you!



********************************



Jim Mercurio,

Instead of teaching and preaching -- listen to what's being said, not what you want to hear!

Last I heard, the winners, semis and quarterfinalists --

Will be disclosed -- "Early October"

This information came from Pasham.

George Covic -- Well said!

James McLain,

You need to understand one thing - I was a football player. I was good at it and I could have made a lot more money if I wanted to do go pro. And a whole lot more if I wanted to play the game of endorsements.

I could have gone overseas and played for the European league, and not hang out with the "big boys" here in the big city. But alas, we all choose the direction in life we want to take.

You mentioned you were an attorney?

If you were an attorney, I find it odd that you would question George Covic's opinion so harshly. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion.

Ever heard of free speech, James? How about — you're thinking unconstitutional?

So who's aspirations are jaded, James? And who are you to judge otherwise?



I agree with George Covic when he writes:

''The working screenwriters who have an actual career in Hollywood or anywhere else, don't visit this site. They're too busy writing and working on their career. And the leftovers are too busy selling their books, workshops and seminars. Only the aspiring screenwriters who don't want to write come here to see what's going on.''



Have a nice weekend.

James — isn't life a bitch?



Ron -- I also come here for the argumentative entertainment! ;)



George -- "Northern Exposure" (1990) had quite the impact on James. And no, I can't make it to the Expo this year.

James,

You're the one who finds the need to boast your background as an attorney to others. You're the one who needs to boast about finding your way in life (by going to Alaska).

And if you did find the way to nirvana, there'd be no reason to reconfirm your spirituality — would there?

You fall into George's analogy, James. Take a hike!

LOL

I'll have to agree with the cat, Stephen Hoover!

http://i35.tinypic.com/ven2hg.jpg



.

Jim, who is Kate Sobel?

Jim Mercurio wrote — ''I am considering adding a second LA week-long class or possibly making a 3-day version since I know it would be hard for semifinalists to make NYC in such short notice. LA classes would be in DEC. About Ten seats are open to winners and SFs and some Qfs. And then I might just offer a great deal to the rest of the entrants.''



Milking a little extra money from the naïve and gullible, Jim?

Santa Sierra wrote ~~ ''I will be charging a 40 dollars fixed rate. I don't believe critiquing a script should be more than 40 dollars per script. That's my personal opinion.''



You're going to be putting a few board members out of business. And putting them out of business is -- a good thing to do!

;)

Jim Mercurio wrote: ~~ ''Yes, Dan, adding an extra class so more Champion Entrants can attend for free is definitely going to make me rich.''



[Insert whistling smiley]



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Stephen Hoover, so what's the beef?

Jim's giving you a free seat at the workshops?

Jim's paying you money to promote on the websites?

You're both lovers?

Stephen Hoover,

I can't believe you're condoning the act of fraud by attempting to ban those that point it out!

And if you're going to take the path of supporting those that want to commit fraud against the naïve and gullible as they climb the screenwriter's ladder — go for the big bucks. Don't waste your pumping and promotional talents on the small stuff.

That's right, Stephen, your pumping talents can best be used by promoting OTCBB and Pink-Sheet stock scams. You can earn a salary of $5,000 to $100,000 dollars a month.

What you'll be doing as a stock promoter, Stephen, is receiving free stock in publicly trading company's. Then you'll go out and pump the company on the internet. You'll tell people it's a great company, great ROI -- and people will use their life savings and pension funds to buy the stock. And as the pump magnifies, you'll sell your stock (at a high profit) and start on the next pump-and-dump shell company.

So don't sell yourself short, Stephen.

You didn't answer my question, Stephen Hoover.

And no one ventures through the internet posting praise, without a reason (or compensation).



Ps.

Yes, I'm a screenwriter.