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Hey Tom Cruise, we are here to help you.

Forget Paramount.

We will get a web page to promote TOM CRUISE as the young Indiana Jones in part 4.

Any web developers out there want to donate their time.

Anyone know anything about Indiana Jones part 4 script.?

Legally, could anyone write the script and then try to pitch it.?

Yes!!!!!, Go Tom Cruise, become the greatest actor in the world. We want you to do it. The future is bright.

We all support you and you are a great star.

Regards, Benjamin

Actually, I'm siding with Paramount.

Fuck Tom Cruise!!

Hey, John. Let's hijack this thread from the 5 year old and have some fun?

Anyone in?

Nicole Kidman rocks.

attn john and randy

Why can one of you write the screenplay for Indiana Jones part 4.

And also write a screenplay for the tv show - the sapranos.

Please provide sample.

I think I saw the first signs of this last year. I was at Paramount for a meeting with a prodco and got the last parking space in the general parking lot. Someone had taken Laurie Wagner's (Tom's partner) parking spot, she wanted mine, and I got it first. The guys who worked the parking lot just laughed. She was furious.

I wonder who will get the Lucille Ball Cottage that C/W is vacating..

Ron

Her name is Paula Wagner. :)

Paula.. I'd forgotten..

Ron,

That's okay. Hopefully she will have forgotten yours by now, too.

Rsqrd

Hi Randy,

Actually, I saw her again about an hour later.. I was walking with the exec (him on his studio lot bicycle.) She kind of smiled at both of us. I suspect she'd already forgotten me..

The sun was just coming out after a brief morning drizzle. She wore black.. I wore blue (jeans)..

A major Hollywood moment for me and my Jeep Cherokee..

Ron

There's a line in the Whoopi Goldberg movie, The Associate, that's apropos for Nicole Kidman.

The Tim Daly character encounters Whoopi for the first time since she quit at a Thanksgiving Day party.

He says, "Laurel, you look great!"

Whoopi answers, "I hear it's what happens to women when they leave bad relationships."

Yes, indeed Nicole does rock after dropping that baggage. I just hope she's learned her lesson and steers clear of scripts like Bewitched and Stepford Wives in the future.

OH GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

It suddenly dawned on me.

Everyone, quick, brace yourselves for Battlefield Earth 2, now that Tom's going to pony up the money to make his own movies.

Ron,

I knew you were kindred. I drive a '94 Jeep Cherokee. 271,000 miles and still kicking butt.

Rsqrd

Randy,

Her Mercedes against my Cherokee..

News: NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Actor Tom Cruise, who was dropped by Paramount Pictures last week for his off-screen behavior, has signed a two-year development deal with an investment partnership headed by Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder, the companies said on Monday.

Ron

Having worked for C/W's Attorney, I'm confident we can all say--they'll be just fine. I'm actually glad they're going the Independent route. I like "small" films and I think the best films C/W has been involved with were "smaller ones" as opposed to the big-budget ones.

My personal opinion is that until one can have a baby and experience post-partum depression--keep your mouth shut! You don't know squat about what you're talking about!!!!

I know there are a lot of annoying things about my personality that not only many can't stand, but I'm sure myself as well. But personalities really have almost nothing to do with how a job gets done (especially producing).

I could tell you HORRIBLE/DISGUSTING antics that big-time, big-money-making producers have done that's NOTHING compared to Tom's outspoken views. (Like opening up the window to their bungalow office and pissing on someone for walking by on the sidewalk.)

But have they lost their studio deals and offices? NO. The Studios are "quick-to-fix."

Since everybody hates Tom it would be a flop.

Everybody hates Tom? First of all, HATE is a very strong word--especially when you don't know somebody. One shouldn't "hate" anybody (well, maybe Hitler--though he wasn't all EVIL).

People don't "hate" Tom. He's considered one of the nicest guys in Hollywood. Now, as far as what he does personally--many think he's "weird" because he has different views than them. If everyone had the same views and tastes--what would we need "free speech" for? I know not everyone on this BB is American, but that's one of the best things about America.

It was a joke. I wasn't generalizing.

Hitler wasn't all evil? What, the world just needed to get to know laid-back, blonde-child-loving, weekend Hitler?

Isn't it too late for Tom Cruise to play "young" Indiana Jones? Harrison Ford was 39 when "Raiders of the Lost Ark" came out; Cruise is well north of 40.

Dinah,

Since you have been gone a while, let me assure you the original author will not be responding to you. At least, not on this "plane". Unless someone lied to us. That, of course, is possible.

Story, story, story. That's what they taught me. They, also, could have lied.

The magic ***.

Randy,

I'm not sure I understand.

Dinah

Stop and think about the really mean people you've known in your life. They're not that way ALL the time. There's always something that brings out their soft side.

When you watch evil (I'm not speaking of the Devil here) characters in film, you'll see the tender side of them as well. No one is 100% evil.

I have a copy of a documentary that contains a live interview with Hitler's secretary. I'll have to watch it again, but from what I recall--she never saw the evil side of this man. Most of those who fought for Germany in WW2--never knew the evil deeds that were taking place.

Hitler was such an ironic individual. He believed that to be a part of a pure, human race--one needed to be blonde with blue eyes. Yet Hitler was far from blonde.

Look at Twain. He always wore white though he believed that no one was an angel with virginal qualities.

Look at all the people who were close to Ted Bundy and originally believed in his innocence. They witnessed the good side of him. Never the monster.

Always remember this when you write characters for your scripts. (Even good, honest people aren't 100% good and honest. If they are, they're not human.)

Some people's evil is so great that anything that might appear to be normal or soft about them is irrelevant. The mastermind of the brutal murders of millions of innocent humans is such a person.

As for what Germans knew, where did they think their neighbors were being sent after being rounded up at gunpoint?

I also feel that no one is all evil. But all humans have the quality to commit evil deeds. There's no way to justify/rationalize/sympathize what Hitler did. His deeds and his legacy are truly despicable. I won't defend him.

But there must have been more to him than just evil. Perhaps that's the only way I can rationalize how millions of people followed him. Perhaps it's the only way I can believe how close he came to complete victory.

I think we'll be hard-pressed to find another real-life character as complex as Hitler - an insane man who almost conquered the world.

A person can be extremely evil and have some sort of charisma that allows him to attract and manipulate people. To carry out horrible deeds with the help of others, it may be a prerequisite. It doesn't diminish or excuse the evil in any way, nor the complicity of those who joined the cause.

D. Brin,

I'm not going to argue with you. Sorry if it sounded like I was defending Hitler or rationalizing what he did.

This is the most insane thread, but, I can't resist. Warning, Very Long Post.

Firstly, evil only exists as the result of choices made by individuals.

Example; Pedaphilia is considered by many to be an evil practice. A person isn't born a pedophile, but, rather evolves into one as the result of choices.

The point is that there is always a reason, a logic, to why something occurs.

People were horrified at the sight of the destruction of the twin towers on 9/11. It was deemed by many as an Evil occurence. But, that Evil occurence came as the result of many choices.

So, the question becomes what kind of choices need to occur for Evil to be established.

Many, Christians in particular, believe that Evil comes as the result of Sin or Sinning.

So, the question becomes what is Sin and does it have anything to do with the choices needing to occur to establish Evil.

I trust the answer is yes. And, there is reason, logic, and even a formula for Sin.

Many Christians and Jews believe that Evil came into the world as the result of the fall of man. The story of the fall of man being provided in the book of Genesis of the Old Testament.

The fall of Man(kind) came as the result of choice. The choice being Man (and Woman) electing to eat the forbidden fruit from the Tree of the Knowlege of Good and Bad.

The consequence of their choice was seperation from God's grace and from that having to experience suffering.

Now, there are many interpretations of the fall of man. Many prescribe to the notion that the choice Man made was disobeying God's instructions to not eat from the Tree of the knowledge of good and bad. And, the result was a form of punishment for man's disobediance. And, the only way to return to God is through obediance.

Personally, I think that some form of obediance (prayer, faith, religion) is a prudent practice in an effort to return to God's grace, but, it's also a reason why some many struggle with accepting a Religious practice.

I believe in a different interpretation of the fall of man and it's result provides a reason, logic and even a formula for Sin.

If you've reached this point and are wondering how does any of this have to do with writing. Consider if you had a greater understanding as to why people choose to do as they do then you'll have a better understanding on how to develop character and story.

The Fall of Man Man and Woman were tempted by the serpent to eat the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Bad. They chose to eat the fruit even though they'd been instructed by God to not eat from that particular tree. Why did they disobey God? And,(drumroll) the answer is Fear.

Fear is the catalyst to sin and evil. The fear that was presented (temptation) to original Man and Woman was the fear of not Knowing Everything (Being like God). That particular Fear of being without was so overwhelming it twisted their perceptions. They were left with 2 choices. The unselfish choice and the selfish choice.

The unselfish choice would have been to resist the temptation with the understanding that it comes with sacrifice. The selfish choice can't resist the temptation of alleviating the fear (fear of being without).

The consequence of Man's selfish choice was that he would experience everything that comes with Knowing all Good and Bad. He would experience great achievements and great suffering. He would never be at peace as there would always be more to learn and the conflict that comes with more.

As promised reason, logic and a formula.

Evil as defined by a dictionary is something that causes misfortune, suffering, or difficulty.

Evil comes as a result of Sin. Sin is that something that causes misfortune.

Sin is the result of one's selfish choice to alleviate fear (fear of being without) rather than deal with it.

And, what causes fears are generally misfortune, suffering, and difficulty.

Tada. Evil begets Evil.

So the story goes that someone inflicts pain onto another because of their sinful desire. The inflicted is damaged and suffers with fear as a result. Rather than be courageous and face the fear they elect to alleviate their fear by way of a selfish choice, which is the sinful desire, that inturn inflicts pain onto another.

example; The wife of a store manager is having an affair. The store manager learns of the affair. His pride hurting he takes it out on his employee rather than deal with the wife. Now the employee's pride is hurting and rather than face off with the boss he elects to take it out on his wife. The employee's wife then takes it out on their child. The child kills the family pet and eventually becomes the Red Dragon.

I applaud anyone who made it through this thread.

"My personal opinion is that until one can have a baby and experience post-partum depression--keep your mouth shut! You don't know squat about what you're talking about!!!!"

So even if I see a woman about to drown her kids in the bathtub, or someone seems really depressed lately, or a guy seems really obsessed with a girl, guns, fire, etc. I should keep my mouth shut and not tell anyone? Gotcha! Wouldn't want to alert anyone before a tragdey strikes, now would we?

Sorry, sent it too soon. Where was I? Oh yeah... I've never bought that argument. You don't have to portray yourself as some kind of expert, but on the other hand, you don't have to get shot to know it probably hurts ... a lot.

Besides, you can't predict how someone will act. Two people can have the same exact experience, and one person would be ready to kill himself or others, while another would go right on with his life without missing a beat.